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Old 03-25-2011, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ThreeHonks
1st gear in a 60e is almost useless. So you are saying that you would rather have a 3.08 first gear than a 2.48???
with a 3400lb car absolutly what would be the advantage of having a 2.48???
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You could go 4L80E and still get awesome performance and have great streetability. But it is a very pricey swap.
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Originally Posted by quik95lt1
with a 3400lb car absolutly what would be the advantage of having a 2.48???
Less 1st gear is only an advantage when you are extremely light and/or have traction problems to my knowledge. Way too many people think they need a 1.76 or 1.82 geared PG just because that is what so many "real" race cars use. LOL Personally, I wouldn't run the 60e because I don't know anyone that can build one to last like the OP's....not that I can afford anyway.

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You could go 4L80E and still get awesome performance and have great streetability. But it is a very pricey swap.
That would put him right back to a 2.48 first gear.
I'd sure like to have a 4L80E with a manual valve body and nice stall to replace the TH400 / 5,500 8" in my 61. I have dreams of being street worthy again one day (but still capable of the same times.)
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wow I dont even want to argue the whole first gear ratio thing, im not even going to open that can of worms. Its not like your car is low on power/torque where it cant handle it. It makes enought power where that it doesnt need such a low gear to get off the line.

1961: I'm not talking a glide here, never said anything about them. There is a big difference between a glide and talking a 2.48 th400 gear I dont know many glide users in a 4th gen and most are very very very light, and even then you need to have the converter spot on to really benefit


hey I wish ya luck with the 60e and I understand if you dont want to change it because you already have it and why fix whats not broke, etc. But dont try to make the argument that you wont benefit from a TH350/400... because we both know that there is benefit to be had
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im sure mike will make the switch once the 4l60 blows. but liek he said its an expensive swap and he enjoys the overdrive. why swap it if it isnt broke?
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Originally Posted by ThreeHonks
wow I dont even want to argue the whole 1961: I'm not talking a glide here, never said anything about them. There is a big difference between a glide and talking a 2.48 th400 gear I dont know many glide users in a 4th gen and most are very very very light, and even then you need to have the converter spot on to really benefit
I wasn't talking about you or anyone else in this thread...just rambling on about alot of people I know that think their 7 second 1/8th mile car needs a glide. Sorry for getting off track. LOL
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Originally Posted by CamaroRacing12
im sure mike will make the switch once the 4l60 blows. but liek he said its an expensive swap and he enjoys the overdrive. why swap it if it isnt broke?
yes I agree 100% and I understand that. But he said he wanted the 3.08 gear, and that left me scratching my head.
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I'd give up that 3.06 or whatever it is first gear... Use the converter to get the motor into the powerband and then KEEP IT THERE with closer splits.
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Originally Posted by REAPER13
You could go 4L80E and still get awesome performance and have great streetability. But it is a very pricey swap.
yea thats ALOT of transmission IMO anything under 750rwhp or so should live with a well built th350 or 4l60e.....but none the less thats a beast of a trans

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Less 1st gear is only an advantage when you are extremely light and/or have traction problems to my knowledge. Way too many people think they need a 1.76 or 1.82 geared PG just because that is what so many "real" race cars use. LOL Personally, I wouldn't run the 60e because I don't know anyone that can build one to last like the OP's....not that I can afford anyway.



That would put him right back to a 2.48 first gear.
I'd sure like to have a 4L80E with a manual valve body and nice stall to replace the TH400 / 5,500 8" in my 61. I have dreams of being street worthy again one day (but still capable of the same times.)
exactly........

Originally Posted by ThreeHonks
wow I dont even want to argue the whole first gear ratio thing, im not even going to open that can of worms. Its not like your car is low on power/torque where it cant handle it. It makes enought power where that it doesnt need such a low gear to get off the line.

1961: I'm not talking a glide here, never said anything about them. There is a big difference between a glide and talking a 2.48 th400 gear I dont know many glide users in a 4th gen and most are very very very light, and even then you need to have the converter spot on to really benefit


hey I wish ya luck with the 60e and I understand if you dont want to change it because you already have it and why fix whats not broke, etc. But dont try to make the argument that you wont benefit from a TH350/400... because we both know that there is benefit to be had
thanks!! but like i said even though i do have a good amount of power the car still weights in the 3300-3400 lb area......thats heavy for a race car......and espically with the tall tire it helps having such a low 1st gear to get it moving.......look at that 9.5x car on AI's webpage.....hes running a 4L60 for a reason

Some day i may swap in a th350 with a 2.78 first to see what happens but in the mean time i think this 4.60e will offer some good results while still allowing me to cruise around here and there with it......

Originally Posted by CamaroRacing12
im sure mike will make the switch once the 4l60 blows. but liek he said its an expensive swap and he enjoys the overdrive. why swap it if it isnt broke?
idk tony i may keep this thing........it comes down to a question of streetability or not......id hate to not drive my car anymore

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I'd give up that 3.06 or whatever it is first gear... Use the converter to get the motor into the powerband and then KEEP IT THERE with closer splits.
i agree on the converter but I can get an ATI 8" race converter for it i just loose my lockup for the street.......hopefully this 5300 (even though its out of its efficency range) will keep it above 6500 for the whole duration down the track
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thanks for all the info too guys...........i dont take any of it in a bad way trust me.......im always open to opinions and info of things that other people have tried........im not in anyway saying that a th350 wouldn't pick the car up but i do like my overdrive and lockup ............

hopefully gonna fire this thing up later this week
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IMO the cruisability of a car depends more on the converter than it does on whether or not the car has overdrive. I have a loose 5200rpm converter which makes my car scream on the highway. It's fine around town but hardly driveable on the interstate. If I swap to my tight converter which stalls just over 4000, i'm just putting along at 65mph. The car behaves very well. It seems to carry each gear an extra 10mph or so.
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Originally Posted by joelster
IMO the cruisability of a car depends more on the converter than it does on whether or not the car has overdrive. I have a loose 5200rpm converter which makes my car scream on the highway. It's fine around town but hardly driveable on the interstate. If I swap to my tight converter which stalls just over 4000, i'm just putting along at 65mph. The car behaves very well. It seems to carry each gear an extra 10mph or so.
yea i just like the lockup mainly not even the OD........locking the converter i can cruise at 3500 instead of freewheel at 5000 and bake stuff lol
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kinda cool i just found this video a friend of mine took last year...........when i was trying to figure out the misfiring issue........you can see cylinder #1 misfiring clearly......got the little shotgun fire comming out and the tube was orange at the end of the pull....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK2Ho...el_video_title

hopefully my dyno pull this weekend will look a bit better wit the new ignition setup lol
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awsome build yea that was bad did it hurt the plug?
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Originally Posted by Mattsv8
awsome build yea that was bad did it hurt the plug?
actully no........it was an ignition issue with the opti........it was misfiring not being lean.....i tracked it down to the cap and rotor.....the reason the pipe started glowing was because of the unburnt fuel in the pipe that was burning...........should be good now i rebuilt the whole damn motor and electrical system lol

your truck is SICCCKKKK too thats awesome!!!! turbo??
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I remember that vid from last year, poor old optimus prime
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Originally Posted by robsquikz28
I remember that vid from last year, poor old optimus prime
yeaa.....that old thing is now some seagulls toilet over at the landfill lol
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Too bad you cant swap in one of the new 6-speed auto's. Hell stock ones have already been in the 9's already with the mustang.
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well i finally got the relay/fuse center complete for under the dash..........used a piece of lexan to mount everything to.......came out good.......now just gotta get it in the car and plug everything in.......run my power wires and finish up a few things and I'll be good to go............weather this weekend is looking like trash except for sunday......maybe I can get it fired then........heres a few pics of the wiring.........
i cleaned up the bmr block off plate too.......did it like all my other brackets and clear coated it.......made a little lexan plate too for it to cover up some old existing holes....




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