E 15 coming to pump near you.
E 15 coming to pump near you. So I got an Email stating that it looks like E15 will be making it's way to the pumps sometime soon. E 10 has already caused me problems on my Mercury outboard last year and the engine is only 3 years old. Any way I was wondering if anyone knows What or if it will affect anything on our cars? I know E10 has been around longer than the LT1's but with stock hard plastic gas lines is there a concern? Only reason I ask is because the Fuel line failed on my outboard due to Mercury not keeping with the times and shipping thier engines with a fuel line that fails with any ethinol fuel. I got lucky and caught it before the fuel line interliner ened up in my 700 dollar fuel pump lol.
Not real sure but I have ran e85 in mine without issue. I know there is a few guys here on the forum that only run it. You would thing though that GM would have thought about that considering 10% was already the fuel type the time I doubt 5% more will change anything. If anything hopefully it will help remove moisture from the fuel. I've had bad fuel have a layer of water on top of it before.
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It is supposed to be an option and not a standard. It will play hell with older vehicles and many cars say anything over 10% will void any and all warranty.
If you think water was a problem with e10 just wait till E15. It loves to collect water. Don't get me wrong, I am switching the SS over to E85, I just see major problems with everyday vehicles and older vehicles being forced to change.
If you think water was a problem with e10 just wait till E15. It loves to collect water. Don't get me wrong, I am switching the SS over to E85, I just see major problems with everyday vehicles and older vehicles being forced to change.
E15 is not a conversion. It is gasoline with up to 15% ethanol. The gas we currently run is E10. If you look at the gas pump next time you get gas, most of them have a sign that says "May contain up to 10% ethanol."
So another drop in power and mpg, increase in price and basically nothing to show for it.
Alcohol as a fuel is great when used in the situation where regular gas simply can't handle the compression/heat. That's not the case in 99% of our cars and is a step backwards. This is just to make corn farming companies happy.
I can't wait until places start really getting into home-built electric. I will have no problem skipping the alternative fuel means of keeping combustion engines on the road once gasoline becomes too expensive to buy and going straight to electric motors.
Alcohol as a fuel is great when used in the situation where regular gas simply can't handle the compression/heat. That's not the case in 99% of our cars and is a step backwards. This is just to make corn farming companies happy.
I can't wait until places start really getting into home-built electric. I will have no problem skipping the alternative fuel means of keeping combustion engines on the road once gasoline becomes too expensive to buy and going straight to electric motors.
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So another drop in power and mpg, increase in price and basically nothing to show for it.
Alcohol as a fuel is great when used in the situation where regular gas simply can't handle the compression/heat. That's not the case in 99% of our cars and is a step backwards. This is just to make corn farming companies happy.
I can't wait until places start really getting into home-built electric. I will have no problem skipping the alternative fuel means of keeping combustion engines on the road once gasoline becomes too expensive to buy and going straight to electric motors.
Alcohol as a fuel is great when used in the situation where regular gas simply can't handle the compression/heat. That's not the case in 99% of our cars and is a step backwards. This is just to make corn farming companies happy.
I can't wait until places start really getting into home-built electric. I will have no problem skipping the alternative fuel means of keeping combustion engines on the road once gasoline becomes too expensive to buy and going straight to electric motors.
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As for the boats i have seen the e10 actually start to eat the inside of a plastic gas tank and clog the carb. If you have problems with the boat try running alcohol free gas if you can find it. sorry to thread jack
Really? which part?
Fact: it takes roughly 1.39 gallons of E85 to go the same distance as 1 gallon of gasoline.
Fact: Ethanol has 76100 BTU/gal of available energy. (E85 has 81800 BTU/gal) vs gasoline's 116100 BTU/gal energy.
Right now E85 is cheaper than comparable gasoline (though you gotta use more of it so it is barely cheaper now). But that's taking into account of massive subsidies paid by the government to produce it. That along with it not being in mass use yet makes the current price situation very artificially low to help move people into using it. It's quite temporary and will shoot up like gas prices do once the subsidies stop and more people begin using it.
http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2251
I can keep quoting easily googleable facts that back up everything i said but I dont see the point really. You've somehow decided that the laws of thermodynamics dont apply equally to alcohol and gasoline.
Fact: it takes roughly 1.39 gallons of E85 to go the same distance as 1 gallon of gasoline.
Fact: Ethanol has 76100 BTU/gal of available energy. (E85 has 81800 BTU/gal) vs gasoline's 116100 BTU/gal energy.
Right now E85 is cheaper than comparable gasoline (though you gotta use more of it so it is barely cheaper now). But that's taking into account of massive subsidies paid by the government to produce it. That along with it not being in mass use yet makes the current price situation very artificially low to help move people into using it. It's quite temporary and will shoot up like gas prices do once the subsidies stop and more people begin using it.
http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2251
I can keep quoting easily googleable facts that back up everything i said but I dont see the point really. You've somehow decided that the laws of thermodynamics dont apply equally to alcohol and gasoline.
Now granted, E15 is barely any less than regular gasoline....and much less different from E10 that we currently use. It's just a way to make the change less noticeable to people. You would definitely have people resisting E85 if they were coming straight from non-ethanol gasoline. Aside from the necessary changes needed to correctly burn E85.
In any case, I would much rather just make the change straight to electric than to waste money moving to a more and more alcohol based fuel.
In any case, I would much rather just make the change straight to electric than to waste money moving to a more and more alcohol based fuel.
i was going to make the swtich but i think theres more to be had from oxygenated race fuel.........also its less risky than the e85 and from what i hear anything over 13.5:1 ish and you are really pressing your luck.....
There is a learning curve with the fuel though, and A LOT of misconceptions.
My new engine will be E-85 and north of 13.5
LOL, crap.... Can of worms...
Alright so Yea I am not worried about it then. I didn't think that small of a chage would affect the cars to much. I have to watch out with the boat though since Mercury has said that thier older engines are not rated for it. Even though it's only 3 years old LOL. As far as regular gas at the docks goes it is really hard to find anymore and may be gone all together in the next 5 years. Not to mention the 5+ bucks a gallon lol.
Alright so Yea I am not worried about it then. I didn't think that small of a chage would affect the cars to much. I have to watch out with the boat though since Mercury has said that thier older engines are not rated for it. Even though it's only 3 years old LOL. As far as regular gas at the docks goes it is really hard to find anymore and may be gone all together in the next 5 years. Not to mention the 5+ bucks a gallon lol.
With E85 the octane rating allows for combustion engines to become MUCH more efficient. and the whole BTU comparison is using perfect world scenarios and just doesn't apply in this world. Yes you will lose mpg if the things that need to be adjusted aren't, when switching.
I don't know 30 cents less a gallon than regular gasoline at 87 octane, for 105 octane at the pump??? which would you choose....
I don't know 30 cents less a gallon than regular gasoline at 87 octane, for 105 octane at the pump??? which would you choose....