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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 01:30 PM
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I have a friend with a dodge charger that I would love to teach a lesson to, so i'm think I will spend a bit of cash and do a cam swap..

I am looking for the best bang for my buck that will still pass emissions, but will make this car a beast.

Without going crazy, I was thinking:

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Timing Chain
Valve Springs
Push Rods
1.6rr's
Lifters

Any suggestions on the parts, or where I could find a good deal?

Also, can I do all this with the engine in the car?

I also have new plugs, wires, seals, gaskets, opti, that i am doing at the same time..

Looking for some expert advice..
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 01:47 PM
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Give Lloyd Elliot or advanced induction a call. They'll set you up in the right direction.
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I have an option at this setup and was thinking about it... I just don't want to blow everything up..

COMP Cam 306 (part #07-306-8)
COMP Cam 986 springs (part#986-16)
COMP Cam locks (part #613-16)
COMP Cam retainers (part #740-16)
GM performance hydraulic roller lifters (part#12371042)
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 02:06 PM
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What emissions do you need to pass? The 306 won't cut most state's test...plus there are better alternatives out there.
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I don't think the cc306 will pass emissions. Plus you'll be leaving a little power on the table with stock heads. Read the cam sticky. The cc503 seems to be a good off the shelf cam for a stock headed lt1.
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sempire
I have an option at this setup and was thinking about it... I just don't want to blow everything up..

COMP Cam 306 (part #07-306-8)
COMP Cam 986 springs (part#986-16)
COMP Cam locks (part #613-16)
COMP Cam retainers (part #740-16)
GM performance hydraulic roller lifters (part#12371042)
Garbage cam
Garbage springs
New lifters aren't necessary provided yours have no visible damage.
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What emissions do you need to pass? The 306 won't cut most state's test...plus there are better alternatives out there.
I have to pass emissions which would have to be pretty close to what the stock emission are..

Originally Posted by Fazz73jr
I don't think the cc306 will pass emissions. Plus you'll be leaving a little power on the table with stock heads. Read the cam sticky. The cc503 seems to be a good off the shelf cam for a stock headed lt1.
cc503 over a Crane 227?
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 02:32 PM
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Then the cc306 is not for you.
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If it's a auto throw a yank ss3600 stall in it with boltons and race from a stop with drag radials; that will be enough to beat the charger no problem. CC503 should pass with good tuning.
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Originally Posted by sempire
cc503 over a Crane 227?
Yep. cc503, stall, and full bolt ons. That Dodge wont be a problem.
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 02:51 PM
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The cc503 is a great cam for a stock bottom end 350.
You can get a custom grind that will not only maximize power, but also pass emissions for $25-50 more.
Add a nice set of 1.6:1 roller rockers and springs than can handle the lift and you'll be very happy.
You'd be even happier with a set of ported heads.

I do not like the 306 in a 350, it makes nice bragging numbers for the dyno but you just
can't make use of the power without spinning the bottom end beyond it's limits.

Yes, you can complete this install without pulling the engine.
The cam will clear the radiator if you drop the fans and condenser.
This is documentation from my installs -> http://www.cardomain.com/ride/229715...irehawk/page-4
Here's a step by step from ShoeBox's site -> http://shbox.com/ci/cam_install.html
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Any suggestions on springs and 1.6rr's? to go with a cc503?

Originally Posted by gregrob
Garbage cam
Garbage springs
New lifters aren't necessary provided yours have no visible damage.
Would it just be a nice to have? I hear people talk about the LS7 lifters.
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Originally Posted by sempire
Any suggestions on springs and 1.6rr's? to go with a cc503?
Patriot Gold Extreme Springs
Comp Cams Ultra Pro Magnum 1.6:1 NSA rockers
ARP 7/16" studs
GMPP Guideplates
Comp Hi Tech Pushrods

You'll also need an intake manifold gasket set and a timing cover gasket set (includes water pump gaskets).
You might also want to consider a timing chain if yours has a lot of miles on it.

Originally Posted by sempire
Would it just be a nice to have? I hear people talk about the LS7 lifters.
The won't add any power, they'll work just like the stock lifters.

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^ What he said
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^^ x2 what he said
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AI puts out a kit that covers just about everything for the swap pretty good price too
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawhead
AI puts out a kit that covers just about everything for the swap pretty good price too
AI? Do you have more information on this? Where can I get it?
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 05:08 PM
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buy my nice new crane lifters!
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 06:04 PM
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The CC503 will pass emissions and make decent power but id get a custom grind. I needed to pass emissions too and was going to go with the cc503 but wanted to make as much power as i could out of it so i went with a custom 223/230 112lsa cam from Lloyd Elliott. Its similar to a cc503 but has more lift and better cam characteristics thats expected to make another 10rwhp on top of it.
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