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Old 03-10-2012, 09:50 PM
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I found a Loyed Elliot 236/244 .579/.578 110 LSA Cam that i can pick up for Cheap..
My question is would it be better to run a CC306 (Already Have It) Or The Cam mentioned above..
Its going in a M6 with Crane Valve Springs, CC Hardend Pushrods (Stock Length), 1.6 RRs, Replacement Lifters..
The car is going to be a daily driver but not far, Like 20 miles a day and the track every once and awhile..
The guy selling it said he made 370 Stock Heads, and like 420 With Heads.. And he said he ran the cc306 before and made 360 with trickflow heads..
Would it be worth it to run the Loyed Cam? Or should i just stick with the cc306?
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I'd go with the Lloyd cam. The 306 from everything I've gathered is mega lazy below 3000 rpm. Keep in mind hp is just a number. If it's a street car you want usable power, unless you like driving around at honda civic like rpm ranges. You're going to want torque down low on a street car. You may want to actually go smaller with a more aggressive lobe. I'd call Lloyd and see what he says. He's really awesome to work with.
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Stock bottom end?
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I am currently running a cam really similar to the LE one, and it’s defiantly not a cam for a stock bottom end car. With my set up (3.42’s and mail tune) I ran the 8th mile 9.0 @ 85 with a abominable 2.4 60 ft. granted I was holding back at the track.
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Originally Posted by 95sscamaro
I am currently running a cam really similar to the LE one, and it’s defiantly not a cam for a stock bottom end car. With my set up (3.42’s and mail tune) I ran the 8th mile 9.0 @ 85 with a abominable 2.4 60 ft. granted I was holding back at the track.
Why do you say it is no good for a stock bottom end? A stock shortblock in good shape that has good oil pressure can handle a lot of power and high rpm without a hitch.
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Originally Posted by rich5368
I'd go with the Lloyd cam. The 306 from everything I've gathered is mega lazy below 3000 rpm. Keep in mind hp is just a number. If it's a street car you want usable power, unless you like driving around at honda civic like rpm ranges. You're going to want torque down low on a street car. You may want to actually go smaller with a more aggressive lobe. I'd call Lloyd and see what he says. He's really awesome to work with.
Cool thanks ill try to give hime a call, im trying to figure out if i wanna go pick it up, i think im just going to becuase its a very good deal! Also ive been hearing only bad stuff about the 306, so i guess LE is alittle better for low rpms?
Thanks for the input..
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Stock bottom end?
Yes but only for about a year, then ill be going forged 383..
Originally Posted by 95sscamaro
I am currently running a cam really similar to the LE one, and it’s defiantly not a cam for a stock bottom end car. With my set up (3.42’s and mail tune) I ran the 8th mile 9.0 @ 85 with a abominable 2.4 60 ft. granted I was holding back at the track.
Yea i would be taking it pretty easy, but my car runs really great, and it holds oil pressure perfectlly too..

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Why do you say it is no good for a stock bottom end? A stock shortblock in good shape that has good oil pressure can handle a lot of power and high rpm without a hitch.
My car runs great and always has good oil pressure, so im hoping the bottom end is in good shape..
So you guys think i should go pick up the LE cam?
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I wouldn't run that cam with stock heads. An LE1/2 or AI ported set or TFS21 degree would rock with it. It's a little too big for stock heads.
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Originally Posted by joelster
I wouldn't run that cam with stock heads. An LE1/2 or AI ported set or TFS21 degree would rock with it. It's a little too big for stock heads.
Yea i was going to have LE port my stock heads..
Also the guy selling the LE cam sent some pics to me and it looks like the cam gear is alittle beat up, is it a bad idea to get it? I was just gonna pick it up cause he wants like 150..
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Originally Posted by joelster
Why do you say it is no good for a stock bottom end? A stock shortblock in good shape that has good oil pressure can handle a lot of power and high rpm without a hitch.
I say to each is own when it comes to something like this, you could be opening Pandora’s Box. I guess I just had an experience with blowing my motor (Bolt-ons only), I just like to warn people. But if the OP does get the cam he will love it!
Here is what could be
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That cam is way too aggressive for a daily driven M6 and won't jive well with stock heads. It's going to be a chore to pedal yourself around with such a big cam... plus, you'll have to rev it to the moon.
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Originally Posted by 95sscamaro
I say to each is own when it comes to something like this, you could be opening Pandora’s Box. I guess I just had an experience with blowing my motor (Bolt-ons only), I just like to warn people. But if the OP does get the cam he will love it!
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I still have my stock shortblock engine just sitting here waiting for its new home. I took it 7k a lot. I typically shifted it at 6900 at the track. It had excellent oil pressure so I never really worried. The cam I ran was the XFI468 (242/248), I had TFS heads though. For me personally I wouldn't go over the comp 503 on a bone-stock cylinder head. It has proven itself time and time again to be just about the best thing out there.
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i wld say either one wld b a decent can the le is probly nicer but definately need to do the heds as well and maybe a stall to.......just my opinion
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Originally Posted by joelster
Why do you say it is no good for a stock bottom end? A stock shortblock in good shape that has good oil pressure can handle a lot of power and high rpm without a hitch.
LOL....just because it's been done does not make it a good idea! Trust me on this 6900 RPM is not for every stock LT1
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That's a nice cam but not for stock heads. My cam is similar with a little less duration. I had my stock rotating assembly balanced and ARP'd. And it is a daily driver.

As for the cam gear, describe "beat up."



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