Best Mild Cam?
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From: Raleigh, NC
Comp XE 224/236 on a 112 lsa. 1.6 RR's, springs, etc.
I picked up 63rwhp over the stock cam with the only changes being cam, valvetrain and a tune. Fat torque curve too. Easy driveability, pulled 6th from 60mph willingly with stock 3.42s. I had the pill set at 6500, but that cam peaked at about 6100 or so. The numbers were 352/365 SAE through shorty headers and full catback.
I picked up 63rwhp over the stock cam with the only changes being cam, valvetrain and a tune. Fat torque curve too. Easy driveability, pulled 6th from 60mph willingly with stock 3.42s. I had the pill set at 6500, but that cam peaked at about 6100 or so. The numbers were 352/365 SAE through shorty headers and full catback.
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From: CenTex
You'll be happy with the cc503. The only thing you'll need is the cam and the valve spring kit that I got from alex's parts. Don't be fooled, hardened pushrods, new lifters, etc etc are not needed for the cc503, BUT if it gives you extra peace of mind, then get them. I've been running my cc503 and LE heads for a good while now with no problems and no complaints. The cc503 and spring kit should run you about $400, and a tune will run about $150 which you can get a mail order tune if you cant find anyone over there to tune it. Also, If you're an automatic, you'll eventually want to get a stall.
You'll be happy with the cc503. The only thing you'll need is the cam and the valve spring kit that I got from alex's parts. Don't be fooled, hardened pushrods, new lifters, etc etc are not needed for the cc503, BUT if it gives you extra peace of mind, then get them. I've been running my cc503 and LE heads for a good while now with no problems and no complaints. The cc503 and spring kit should run you about $400, and a tune will run about $150 which you can get a mail order tune if you cant find anyone over there to tune it. Also, If you're an automatic, you'll eventually want to get a stall.
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From: CenTex
for daily driving you should be fine with a stall somewhere between 2800-3200. I have a vigilante 2800 and it does fine. A lot of mail order tunes are a little on the rich side, but that's to be expected as it's hard to get the tune perfect on the first try. However, I believe most mail order places will not charge you for a retune if you need one
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I thought u wanted a mild cam? U need to elaborate what u expect in a "mild" cam Swamp. Myself i don't consider the "Hot" cam mild let alone the CC503 as "mild".
Keep in mind the stock LT1 head stops increasing flow at 0.5" lift - so higher lift cams gain u nothing (even with better vlv springs) but may even lose charge velocity. Yes they may make even less power. Just google for any stock LT1 flow bench numbers. The LT1 stops at 0.5" (or maybe even less) with 'bout 215-220 cfm intake flow. No more at 0.6" on intake or exhaust.
Now using the "stock" LT4 cam with 1.6 rockers adds lift while keeps it less than 0.5". Or the "Hot cam" without the 1.6 rocker arms would be <0.5" lift but even tighter lobe separation angle and more duration and work fine with the stock LT1 head.
Let us know what u expect for "mild".
cardo
Keep in mind the stock LT1 head stops increasing flow at 0.5" lift - so higher lift cams gain u nothing (even with better vlv springs) but may even lose charge velocity. Yes they may make even less power. Just google for any stock LT1 flow bench numbers. The LT1 stops at 0.5" (or maybe even less) with 'bout 215-220 cfm intake flow. No more at 0.6" on intake or exhaust.
Now using the "stock" LT4 cam with 1.6 rockers adds lift while keeps it less than 0.5". Or the "Hot cam" without the 1.6 rocker arms would be <0.5" lift but even tighter lobe separation angle and more duration and work fine with the stock LT1 head.
Let us know what u expect for "mild".
cardo
for daily driving you should be fine with a stall somewhere between 2800-3200. I have a vigilante 2800 and it does fine. A lot of mail order tunes are a little on the rich side, but that's to be expected as it's hard to get the tune perfect on the first try. However, I believe most mail order places will not charge you for a retune if you need one
Not likely. Typically a mail-order tune is good enough. I drove my 383 around with a mail-order tune for a year before I had a chance to get it dyno-tuned. When I DID get it tuned it put down 1HP more on the dyno showing that the mail-order tune was spot-on.
Well, I have ram air, pacesetter LT's, and 3'' exhaust. I plan on getting a tune once i get the right cam. When I mean mild, I meant something that will flow with stock heads without making serious internal upgrades. I have a spare motor that I am going to have stroked for a 76mm turbo. My engine builder said it was ok to install the cc503 for the street without spending a lot of money upgrading everything else. But he did also say a larger cam would call for more internal upgrades.
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U need to elaborate what u expect in a "mild" cam Swamp. Myself i don't consider the "Hot" cam mild let alone the CC503 as "mild".
Keep in mind the stock LT1 head stops increasing flow at 0.5" lift - so higher lift cams gain u nothing (even with better vlv springs) but may even lose charge velocity. Yes they may make even less power. Just google for any stock LT1 flow bench numbers. The LT1 stops at 0.5" (or maybe even less) with 'bout 215-220 cfm intake flow. No more at 0.6" on intake or exhaust.
Now using the "stock" LT4 cam with 1.6 rockers adds lift while keeps it less than 0.5". Or the "Hot cam" without the 1.6 rocker arms would be <0.5" lift but even tighter lobe separation angle and more duration and work fine with the stock LT1 head.
Let us know what u expect for "mild".
cardo
Keep in mind the stock LT1 head stops increasing flow at 0.5" lift - so higher lift cams gain u nothing (even with better vlv springs) but may even lose charge velocity. Yes they may make even less power. Just google for any stock LT1 flow bench numbers. The LT1 stops at 0.5" (or maybe even less) with 'bout 215-220 cfm intake flow. No more at 0.6" on intake or exhaust.
Now using the "stock" LT4 cam with 1.6 rockers adds lift while keeps it less than 0.5". Or the "Hot cam" without the 1.6 rocker arms would be <0.5" lift but even tighter lobe separation angle and more duration and work fine with the stock LT1 head.
Let us know what u expect for "mild".
cardo
Cardo you do realize there's more to a cam then its numbers right? The hot cam is old tech. I would search for some of Alan's(aba383) old threads, that car was a beast with the baby cam he listed...
A lot of these other cams aren't exactly mild too imo, if mild its what you want check out the crane 227.
TA Moscow: a lt1 tuning legend is in this thread, pm Ed Wright, I'd link you to his site but I'm on my phone. Hit him up tho, he'l cut you a tune n then you can datalog it, send Ed the info and he'll tweak the tune as needed.
A lot of these other cams aren't exactly mild too imo, if mild its what you want check out the crane 227.
TA Moscow: a lt1 tuning legend is in this thread, pm Ed Wright, I'd link you to his site but I'm on my phone. Hit him up tho, he'l cut you a tune n then you can datalog it, send Ed the info and he'll tweak the tune as needed.
got the cai and the trick elbow instead of spending money for nothing next i think will be Mac mid headers and the 2400 stall. And only after those upgrade i will be thinking about cam and heads with ported intake. Do you have emission or sound regulations over there? Just wondering why not long tubes? Also I'm no auto guy but I think your gonna want to go larger on the stall, somethingaround 3k? I'm sure an auto guy will chime in
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Man, thanx. I realise that Ed knows much about lt1, he has already answered many of my questions, i don't want to buy the 58mm tb anymore got the cai and the trick elbow instead of spending money for nothing next i think will be Mac mid headers and the 2400 stall. And only after those upgrade i will be thinking about cam and heads with ported intake.
got the cai and the trick elbow instead of spending money for nothing next i think will be Mac mid headers and the 2400 stall. And only after those upgrade i will be thinking about cam and heads with ported intake.and if your looking at mild cams... the cc 304 is almost unnoticeable... many people mistake my car for stock
I just wonder how it will look like it really heavy traffic. Like a jump when i hit the accelerator? One guy in Moscow told me that it wasn't easy for him to drive 3200 stall in the city. That's why i'm thinking about 2400. The stock stall is around 1600?
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