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Here is a timing map where I THINK peak torque will occur BEFORE peak VE. I THINK Peak torque will occur around 3500rpm, and I THINK peak VE will occur about 4400rpm (where it always does on the stock engine regardless of torque or timing).
Once the engine passes into the low timing values at WOT, torque will fall, EGT will skyrocket, but the engine will press on (continue to accelerate) and VE will still be good. I THINK Torque output is not a direct result of VE but rather a combination of variables.
Fixed it for you slick.
You know what this table tells me? Nothing. Not a daggum thing. What you provided was a made up table with no scientific approach, just conjuncture of a thesis.
The only thing I agree here with is that torque output is the result of a combination of variables, one of those variables is VE and it's a primary variable.
I took the time to model VE for you using the math function I posted earlier.
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I tutor math (and bio/chem) at my college, you are welcome to stop by anytime for some instruction, or engine tuning, PM for an appointment.
These tables are a waste of your time. The only thing you did with these tables was prove that the equation works; good for you math Tutor, maybe one day you'll be a real teacher!
I can make tables that do that in MS Word yo! It still doesn't prove anything. Your thesis is flawed there Tutor Hate Jar.
You're assuming the results and not letting the evidence present the facts. You're presenting the facts and reading the evidence to support your theory. That is a scientifically flawed approach to proving anything. You're so focused on the little equation and the math part of it, that you are totally ignoring that the equation doesn't mean **** to this conversation.
What is being discussed is the relationship of TQ and VE in a RUNNING Reciprocating ICE. And the RESULTS show VE and TQ are directly linked. More VE, more TQ. Less VE, Less TQ. Every. Single. Time.
Combustion efficiency can affect peak torque, but that would also affect other dynamic operations during the 4 cycle operation, thus affecting VE.
You're so focused on proving you need more than zero RPM to have VE, that you've completely ignored what was actually said. "VE is not PURELY a function of RPM". I didn't say it wasn't a function of RPM, I said RPM is not the ONLY input to VE. The equation you are using ignores a lot of variables that effect VE. Why? Because they are not needed for the result the equation is designed to provide. But we aren't talking about the results of an equation, we are talking about the relationship between VE and TQ.
You can talk about a silly little equation all day long. Talk your self in circles until your on the moon and blue. It won't change physics and how they are applied to a running internal combustion engine and why Peak VE and Peak TQ have the same relationship to each other. It won't change real world results. The only thing it will do is continue to make you look like someone who is supposedly good enough to Tutor math, but obviously not science.
He's a college student and math tutor. It's probably why he's been holding off telling us what he really does as it's not very credible to this conversation. He probably thinks he's that Jesse guy from the Fast and The Furious.
riiiight. saying it makes it true. I am also a rabid wombat.
Internal Combustion Engine Fundamentals - by John Heywood
Section 2.14 - Relationships Between Performance Parameters.
n subscript v(for lack of a better way to type it right now) represents VE. The following picture shows VE right in the middle of the Power and Torque calculations. So if VE changes, torque is directly affected.
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