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BULL

 

You have a 91 Z28 with bolts ons and you beat an Lt1? What kind of times are you running in the 1/8? I can't imagine any better than a 9.5 or so. (If that) Do you have the 350 TPI? If so, your car still only makes about 195-200(maybe) hp to the wheels. Even with bolt ons, you wouldn't match an Lt1's hp. They will put down about 250rwhp (maybe more if it's an m6) I used to have a 91 V8 camaro and I ran a 9.5 in the 1/8. (I had full bolt ons as well. Including DR's) Although, I raced Lt1's and LS1's from a roll and I would get smoked. But, if it was from the line it was decent up until about 40. Then it was over for me.

Also, is your car an A4?

 

I went to the 1/8 mile track around where I live and I saw camaro's running about the same times. Although, I saw a stock WS6 on street tires run a 8.5. That was pretty damn good. Bone stock an Lt1 runs about a 9.0-9.2 in the 1/8 and a 14.0-14.2 in the quarter. (from what I have seen in person)

 

There is a bigger difference between the lt-1 and ls-1 than their is between the l-98 and lt-1 in my opinion.

Plenty of stock speed density 90-92 L98 cars go 14.5-14.3 stock, I have even seen some 14.0's. They are all automatics as well (no manual for the l98). Not much slower than an automatic LT-1. If he has some bolt ons......I dont see why he couldnt take one from a slow roll....especially with the low end torque those motors have. The 3rd gen z28 cars are also a couple hundred pounds lighter.

 

195-200 to the wheels? think again buddy. I have the L98 out of a 91 corvette, so I have aluminum heads. I put down 224 rwhp and 319 rwtq back when i just had a catback and K&N's. I ran a 8.76@78 through the 1/8 with a 1.92 60'. I have longtube headers, ported plenum, the stock aluminum heads(camaro l98's didnt have aluminum heads), engine is bored .060 over with forged internals, crappy flowmaster mufflers with no cats, and a 58mm BBK Throttle body. I also have 275 BFGoodrich G-force drag radials in the back.

My STOCK hp ratings are 250 hp / 350 torque, thats 25 less hp than an lt1, but 25 more torque, and with all the bolt-ons what makes you think I can't beat an LT1? Most of the 1990-1992 L98's are in the low 14's, I even saw a video of an Iroc-z in either 86 or 87 back when it was rated at like 225 hp run a 14.5@96 stock in some video from back then when CHEVY was testing it out. Stock my car ran a 9.23@74 mph.

Oh yeah Camaro 0wner I think you had the 305 then, because with all the bolt ons there is no way in hell you should run a 9.5, 9.5 would probably be a bone stock 86-88 L98 with crappy tires.

 

For the record, I'm not trying to make you mad. I just want to get that out of the way. Yes, I did have the 305 TBI. In fact, I thought that was an impressive time for a 305 TBI. The IROC, (I think it was a 1990) was the quickest of them all. It ran a 14.5 stock. (which is the video you saw) These times that you see other people running are not a very good source. It's better to read about them stock in magazine articles. (That's where I get information) They may have little bolt ons you don't know of. Also, your car has 245hp stock. Click Here That is the highest hp any 3rd gen has had. So indeed, your car has the most power. Although, if we are talking about the highest hp L98 rating, we mine as well talk about the highest LT1 hp rating, which is 285. (stock) That's a 40hp difference. That is the same as an Lt1 vs an LS1. (A little different)

Now, you have some pretty good mods to your car and are running some nice times. (the 60' is your key. I wonder what kind of gear you have) With all those bolt on's, you would still have a hard time with a stock LT1. Your mph was 78 and you said it yourself that you witnessed "stock" LT1's running that mph. Well, if you put some DR's on a stock LT1, that would be a damn good race with you. I think the LT1 would pull up top. (just my opinion) Have you ran the quarter? I bet your mph would be somewhere around a 96-98 range. Also, come on...Do you really think they are going to make a newer body style camaro with a different motor, slower? Back in the day, this kind of talk, was like talking LS1 vs Lt1 now. With a 4mph "stock" difference, an LT1 would beat your stock Z28 pretty good...I hope you see where I am coming from. Also, although your car has the highest hp rating, it didn't run the quickest time stock. I don't know why, but I'm pretty positive the 90 IROC was the quickest. IROC's were a little faster, but had less hp. Weird...

 

I don't know why people are running 9+ in the 1/8 I ran an 8.8 stock.

 

What motor do you have? Also, these times are on hot days. Lt1's will run 9.1's stock all day in shitty weather and street tires. Trust me, I know.

 

He is talking about his corvette motor being rated at 250 horse....which it was. I guess aluminum heads add 5 hp

1990 was the last year for the iroc and it got the speed density l98 just like the 91-92 z28 cars, also the newer interior is well. They are not any faster than the 91-92 cars....that is just a myth.

 

I was thinking the same thing, but I never got around to mentioning it though...

 

Also you have to remember that the LT1 was highly underrated by GM, and actually almost every stock LT1 will have about 305 FWHP in stock form. Just run some backwards numbers using drivetrain loss and stock rwhp numbers, you'll see that I speak the truth. Even take a look at TQ numbers, the LT1 makes more, sooner and for longer.

Stock vs stock an LT1 would rape an L98 in every way, shape and form. I personally beat my friend's IROC-Z from a dig three times and a 30 roll once, when the ONLY thing my car had was a catback. That's it. His car was a 350 TPI, with a ZZ4 cam, shortys, flowmaster catback all 3" pipes, a chip, filters and free mods. Had him by a little over a car length at 100 mph.

The TPI is such a restriction on those cars it's not even funny.

Trying to compare an L98 to an LT1 is just ludicrous. Ditch the TPI in favor of a HSR or similar, and we'll talk.

The LT1 vs. LS1 debate has been gone over a trillion times. Facts: The LS1 is faster in stock form. When you start modding, the LT1 is cheaper to make go faster. It takes very few mods to make an LT1 run with an LS1. The LT1 also sounds/looks/feels better and attracts more women. Case closed.

 

I think the lt-1 camaros are hideous besides the ss cars. And those salad shooter rims are just plain disgusting.
Sound....that is debateable, but the ls1 doesnt rasp with true duals like the lt-1 does. And from your sounds clips....I would say my car sounds 10x better than yours

Feels better....ummm I dont know what you mean.....but the ls1 cars have better brakes as well.

Is the lt-1 motor really that much cheaper and easier to mod? Swap a cam in the ls1 and you will need to get heads on that lt-1 too keep up....advantage to the ls1. You dont even need to swap the intake on the ls1 cars, especially if you have an 01-02.
The stock heads on the ls1 are so far superior to the lt-1 that I would think the edge would have to go to the ls1 in every way including price.
But if you factor in the price of the car....then the lt-1 would be the cheaper route.....but that is kind of a ricer argument

 

Is this **** ever gonna end?

 

[QUOTE=UltraZLS1]
Feels better....ummm I dont know what you mean.....but the ls1 cars have better brakes as well./QUOTE]

Down low torque is more apparent in the LT1 because of the torque peaking at 2800rpm VS the LS1's 4000rpm peak.

The brakes are an easy upgrade,so is the DS,Tailights and any other upgraded chassis part that appeals to us.

L98>Carbed SBC

LT1>L98

LS1>LT1

LS2>LS1

Thats good for us as they just keep getting better

 

I don't think the LT1's look hideous. I agree, I don't like the salad shooters.

Does mine look that bad? I would hope not hideous...

 

The salad shooter rims are sick........wth are you talking about!

 

I would take off your side moldings...other than that...looks ok. That white and black combo looks nice....I dont see it very often around here.

Chrome rims would really set it off as well.

I just prefer the updated front end. And you get to put halos on the headlights....which I love.( and have) Also....the grills look much better when you go billet IMO

I think it is mostly the stock rims that kill those cars.....they belong on the v6 only...I dont know what in the hell gm was thinking with the shooters.

But a bone stock 93-96 z28 with shooters wouldnt make me turn my head in the least bit...just not a very striking car at all.

I guess I went overboard with the hidous thing....its an f-body....so I like them all....sorry man

 

Now I know all cars are diff and Stock/stock i don't get what you guys are getting at I mean really now I have drivin both and i race one about everyday my buddy has a freak Lt1 I have a Ls1 we fight about this all day long but Stock vs Stock really I have never been beaten by a lt1 stock for stock "A4" now my buddy's car is .10 faster than me in the 1/4 we both spray both on BFG only deff is 3.42 me 3.73 him, He has full exuast, I have stock exuast and stock intake he mod his intake, Ls1 mod alot better, But back to the topic. Lt1 feel fast yes that is true, They shift harder, feel like alot more Tq downlow which isn't even true. Like the one guy said there two diff cars from everything to weight transfor, to shift points. I love both engines and love all f-bodys its all up to you what you drive.

 

Yeah I know well obviously an LT1 would beat an L98 stock for stock, but I'm not stock. I do NOT have an L98 out of a camaro. I have the L98 out of a corvette, so rated from the factory its 250/350. I dyno'd 224 rwhp with just a catback and a K&N intake, not to mention the 319 rwtq. the torque is probably the only thing that keeps me up with cars from low rolls, I do get pulled on top end by LT1s but not by much, LS1s on the other hand pull me pretty good.

The LT1 that I beat was an automatic with exhaust and probably a K&N or some other form of CAI, when I say I beat him pretty good it's not like I destroyed him. What happened was it was a 30-35 roll and I jumped out a car ahead and just barely started to get away up til about 70-75 then it stayed even and by about 90 I was slowly losing my lead.

You're actually pretty close about my trap speeds in the 1/4, I ran a best of 13.72@100.7 MPH with a 1.97 60'. Another thing about my trap speed in the 1/8 mile, I actually ran a 9.04@79.6mph in the 1/8 mile before my drag radials with like a 2.176 60' time, so I actually trapped higher before my drag radials for some reason or another.

But rest assured, I won't be a turd gen mullet guy for long, because I'm selling my third genner and buying a new 6-speed SS

 

Sorry to hear, 91-92 Z28s are rather rare, but a faster car is always appealing.