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04-19-2006, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ks my ss
why search when all the threads are gona be full of people saying that longtubes are soooo much better and none of them contain any proof? the only "proof" is that so and so said i should so i did.
this debate is just as bad as the ss airbox vs. cold air intake. i have not seen enough "credable" evidence to make me switch, hell im still using a paper napa filter.
this debate is just as bad as the ss airbox vs. cold air intake. i have not seen enough "credable" evidence to make me switch, hell im still using a paper napa filter.
04-19-2006, 01:57 PM
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i guess i should listen to everyone and switch to long tubes, a stock throttle body and a cold air intake with a k&n filter. i bet my car really picks up. maybe if i throw in a tornado i can get into the 10s
04-19-2006, 02:01 PM
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Maybe you should line up next to some one with a similiar setup as yours with the LT's being the only difference. But the only bad thing about that is human error is involved. And yes you should switch over and maybe you will make more power than what you advertise !!!!!
04-19-2006, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBill97396
Maybe you should line up next to some one with a similiar setup as yours with the LT's being the only difference. But the only bad thing about that is human error is involved. And yes you should switch over and maybe you will make more power than what you advertise !!!!!
and yes i have raced cars with similar mods and long tubes and cars with cams ontop of everything. they were all disapointed in their cars.
04-19-2006, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ks my ss
i already do make more power. that was just bolt ons. i have since added a cam and home ported heads.
and yes i have raced cars with similar mods and long tubes and cars with cams ontop of everything. they were all disapointed in their cars.
and yes i have raced cars with similar mods and long tubes and cars with cams ontop of everything. they were all disapointed in their cars.
04-19-2006, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBill97396
Like I said the other driver had alot to do with that as well. I would gladly run you and show you the difference.
04-19-2006, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ks my ss
what did you run with boltons? in full weight, a/c everything. only things removed were spair tire, jack and front sway bar. and that babing it on the stock 10 bolt. i dont see too many other bolt on only cars that are full weight running mid to low 12s.
You aren't proving anything by spouting out your o.k. et's. My buddies full weight LS1 with nothing more than a converter runs 12.4....big deal! Just cause you car runs fine with shorties, doesn't mean it wouldn't run better with longtubes. Look at the hundreds of dyno's that show what happens when you put on longtubes. Look at all the results before you come to a conclusion also. Not one or two random guys that have an unusually high dyno with shorties. Dyno's can be innacurate for several reasons. For example, I knew a place that would artificially elevated there #'s to show better gains and make the customer happy. That's why you not only have to look at trends, but talk to people that build motors for a living. If you make good power with shorties, then watch what happens when you put on longtubes!
04-19-2006, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Redneck Z
You aren't proving anything by spouting out your o.k. et's. My buddies full weight LS1 with nothing more than a converter runs 12.4....big deal! Just cause you car runs fine with shorties, doesn't mean it wouldn't run better with longtubes. Look at the hundreds of dyno's that show what happens when you put on longtubes. Look at all the results before you come to a conclusion also. Not one or two random guys that have an unusually high dyno with shorties. Dyno's can be innacurate for several reasons. For example, I knew a place that would artificially elevated there #'s to show better gains and make the customer happy. That's why you not only have to look at trends, but talk to people that build motors for a living. If you make good power with shorties, then watch what happens when you put on longtubes!
hundreds of dyno graphs? show me 1 cause i think thats all i have seen where that was the only change.
04-19-2006, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ks my ss
LS1? we are talking about LT1s here. this is the LT1 section. 2 different platforms and 2 different results. are you basing all your "facts" on LS1's?
hundreds of dyno graphs? show me 1 cause i think thats all i have seen where that was the only change.
hundreds of dyno graphs? show me 1 cause i think thats all i have seen where that was the only change.
Duh! Longtubes are equally as impressive on LT1's. Look under the dyno section. The search doesn't go back very far, but good luck. I've seen these results in person on dyno's, so I'm not concerned with proving it to myself. If you'd spent any time around cars in general, you wouldn't even be debating this!
04-19-2006, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Redneck Z
Duh! Longtubes are equally as impressive on LT1's. Look under the dyno section. The search doesn't go back very far, but good luck. I've seen these results in person on dyno's, so I'm not concerned with proving it to myself. If you'd spent any time around cars in general, you wouldn't even be debating this!
long tubes might be similar on the lt1 and ls1... but the shorties are not buddy.
the ls1 shorties have the same short comings as the 96-97 lt1s. they have to use the factory y-pipe. then with them using the factory y they are really limited on the design of everthing about it.
so as stated many many times in this post, the 96+ shorties suck.
04-19-2006, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by blkchevyz
long tubes might be similar on the lt1 and ls1... but the shorties are not buddy.
the ls1 shorties have the same short comings as the 96-97 lt1s. they have to use the factory y-pipe. then with them using the factory y they are really limited on the design of everthing about it.
so as stated many many times in this post, the 96+ shorties suck.
the ls1 shorties have the same short comings as the 96-97 lt1s. they have to use the factory y-pipe. then with them using the factory y they are really limited on the design of everthing about it.
so as stated many many times in this post, the 96+ shorties suck.
04-19-2006, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ks my ss
what did you run with boltons? in full weight, a/c everything. only things removed were spair tire, jack and front sway bar. and that babing it on the stock 10 bolt. i dont see too many other bolt on only cars that are full weight running mid to low 12s.
04-19-2006, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Redneck Z
Duh! Longtubes are equally as impressive on LT1's. Look under the dyno section. The search doesn't go back very far, but good luck. I've seen these results in person on dyno's, so I'm not concerned with proving it to myself. If you'd spent any time around cars in general, you wouldn't even be debating this!
If you'd spent any time around cars in general, you wouldn't even be debating this!
04-19-2006, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBill97396
Man you are really just pissing in the wind here trying to prove to yourself that Shorty's are a better route to go than LT's
then i stated that i gained zip, going from shorties to long tubes. zero on the dyno zero at the track.
that proves in my book that they are no better, or worse.
04-19-2006, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by blkchevyz
if you have read any of this post, you will see the only time i said it was a better route is if you have to worry about emissions and ground clearence.
then i stated that i gained zip, going from shorties to long tubes. zero on the dyno zero at the track.
that proves in my book that they are no better, or worse.
then i stated that i gained zip, going from shorties to long tubes. zero on the dyno zero at the track.
that proves in my book that they are no better, or worse.
Yeah I think I read this post I am not sure
Well I am not going to beat this point in the ground, the FACTS are that the header rankings fall in this order 3. shorty 2. Mid Length 1. LT's Now would you rather your car sit low or raise it and pick up power. If you gained nothing then that is your belief. But as I stated before I have seen with my very two eyes the difference between shorty's and LT's. If someone wants to go slower then get you some flowtech shorties and think your fast because your car is noisy. But if you are going for serious street application and are not out trying to impress the High Schoolers then Go with LT's or at least Mid Length headers and set your combination up right with the most EFFECIENT parts that are out there. All I am stating that people that do this for a living and sell these products know the difference and have seen it time and time again. So if I was a greenhorne looking for advice the LT1 section of this site would be my last resort due to the fact there is only a handful of people here that have a clue about doing things right !!!!!
04-19-2006, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by blkchevyz
if you have read any of this post, you will see the only time i said it was a better route is if you have to worry about emissions and ground clearence.
then i stated that i gained zip, going from shorties to long tubes. zero on the dyno zero at the track.
that proves in my book that they are no better, or worse.
then i stated that i gained zip, going from shorties to long tubes. zero on the dyno zero at the track.
that proves in my book that they are no better, or worse.
Dyno's aren't that accurate! Did you go from shorties to longtubes and dyno it on the same dyno? same day? Same conditions? Please don't base your longtube assumptions on this one fluke situation. I guarantee that there was some underlying problem with the dyno or your car, that didn't allow you to notice the gains that the LT's had provided.
ks my ss- I was only trying to say that my friend has a fast stock car, and just because your car runs nice, doesn't mean that shorties are as good as longtubes. In NO way was I comparing an LT1 to an LS1!
04-19-2006, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Redneck Z
Dyno's aren't that accurate! Did you go from shorties to longtubes and dyno it on the same dyno? same day? Same conditions? Please don't base your longtube assumptions on this one fluke situation. I guarantee that there was some underlying problem with the dyno or your car, that didn't allow you to notice the gains that the LT's had provided.
ks my ss- I was only trying to say that my friend has a fast stock car, and just because your car runs nice, doesn't mean that shorties are as good as longtubes. In NO way was I comparing an LT1 to an LS1!
ks my ss- I was only trying to say that my friend has a fast stock car, and just because your car runs nice, doesn't mean that shorties are as good as longtubes. In NO way was I comparing an LT1 to an LS1!
04-20-2006, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBill97396
Man you are really just pissing in the wind here trying to prove to yourself that Shorty's are a better route to go than LT's
there is a local guy running 9s on mac mids
