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Originally Posted by Redneck Z
Dyno's aren't that accurate! Did you go from shorties to longtubes and dyno it on the same dyno? same day? Same conditions? Please don't base your longtube assumptions on this one fluke situation. I guarantee that there was some underlying problem with the dyno or your car, that didn't allow you to notice the gains that the LT's had provided.
ks my ss- I was only trying to say that my friend has a fast stock car, and just because your car runs nice, doesn't mean that shorties are as good as longtubes. In NO way was I comparing an LT1 to an LS1!
ks my ss- I was only trying to say that my friend has a fast stock car, and just because your car runs nice, doesn't mean that shorties are as good as longtubes. In NO way was I comparing an LT1 to an LS1!
i've spent alot of time on the dyno... and in my experience on 3 different dynos they were all within 3 hp of each other.
still, if the long tubes are suppose to be soo much better, im sure i'd see a gain.
but i agree dyno number dont mean much... and thats why i said i didnt gain anything at the track either.
You guys are hilarious trying to say that shorties make just as much power as longtubes.
Talk to anyone who makes headers, runs a dyno shop, etc. or just search on cz28, there is a huge amount of dyno/track evidence that will show you are clearly wrong.
Talk to anyone who makes headers, runs a dyno shop, etc. or just search on cz28, there is a huge amount of dyno/track evidence that will show you are clearly wrong.
Originally Posted by infinitebird
You guys are hilarious trying to say that shorties make just as much power as longtubes.
Talk to anyone who makes headers, runs a dyno shop, etc. or just search on cz28, there is a huge amount of dyno/track evidence that will show you are clearly wrong.
Talk to anyone who makes headers, runs a dyno shop, etc. or just search on cz28, there is a huge amount of dyno/track evidence that will show you are clearly wrong.
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still waiting on facts proving my experience and others are just a fluke. not just i herd from so and so that bobs roommates sisters boyfriend 2nd couisn car gained a ton over shorties... all judged by his calibrated assometer
Originally Posted by blkchevyz
still waiting on facts proving my experience and others are just a fluke. not just i herd from so and so that bobs roommates sisters boyfriend 2nd couisn car gained a ton over shorties... all judged by his calibrated assometer
Like I said check for yourself. I'm not going to do the research for you. Seek and ye shall find! I recommend talking to someone in the business. Please do us all a favor and do this before posting anymore of this nonsense! I'm actually embarrassed for you! 
You stick with your shorty's and apperent lack of simple facts. THE FACTS ARE THERE. Call any header company, call any respectable performance shop, call any engine builder, DO YOUR RESEARCH. Like I have stated atleast four times this is something I have been around for a long time and these are things I see, no we dont sit around and do header swaps to prove a point to squirrels that just wanna know what has been known for years. Generally the knowlegable public will understand that educated people actually do know what they are talking about. I don't care if your car showed no change, what kind of shorty's are you choking your motor down with and what kind of LT's did you have ? Your stance is one of ignorance and miseducation and because you out of 98% of the LT1's in the world have not seen change you continue to argue with no real basis other than your car. There have been multiple replies in this thread about the differences but yet you still cannot read between the lines.
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Originally Posted by MrBill97396
You stick with your shorty's and apperent lack of simple facts.
Originally Posted by MrBill97396
what kind of shorty's are you choking your motor down with and what kind of LT's did you have ?
Here are some dyno FACTS
http://www.steedafocus.com/charts/charts10_3.htm
Even the Mustang guys get it
http://www.mustangboards.com/modular...hort-tube.html
You have said that twice now so pay attention and pull your head out
http://www.steedafocus.com/charts/charts10_3.htm
Even the Mustang guys get it
http://www.mustangboards.com/modular...hort-tube.html
You have said that twice now so pay attention and pull your head out
Originally Posted by MrBill97396
I guess they probably think the moon landing really never happened either.
This is not even an Lt1/ls1 specific thing. Talk to anyone who knows anything about performance cars (any brand). It has been common knowledge for a long time in the auto world that longtubes will make more power than any other type of header. It makes sense that would be the case even just considering the basic design differences.
Originally Posted by blkchevyz
must be running out of steam... your taking it to personal attacks
whats embarrassing is the fact that your talking about something that you have no personal experience in.
whats embarrassing is the fact that your talking about something that you have no personal experience in.
That's not a personal attack...just stating the obvious. It's just a little frusterating listening to someone who obviously doesn't have any experience, arguing and arguing about something we've all known for years!
The frusterating thing is that you don't want to learn or do any research, you just want to argue about something that is already a known fact. I always like to learn more about cars and am willing to do the research required to gain greater understanding. Do you want me to give you the # of someone who builds motors and dyno's cars on a daily basis? I know several experts in the field you can talk to, that have shops here in town. I know it would help you to hear it from a professional and not just some guy on the internet. Let me know if you are interested. Another link and just scroll through and look at the majority in this thread which came from this sites exhaust section.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-external-engine/140408-exhaust-reviews-sound-clips-ls1sounds-com.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-external-engine/140408-exhaust-reviews-sound-clips-ls1sounds-com.html
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Originally Posted by blkchevyz
i agree, if you got the extra money, dont care about inspections or ground clearence get long tubes.
now if you do have to think about the above... get shorties/mid lenghts. you wont be disapointed...
unless you get 96-97 dual cat shorties. those do suck
if thats the case get some 93-95 shorties.
but as i stated 96-97 dual cat headers suck... that just dont have the design the 93-95 do
and that is why this is a car/engine specific conversation
Originally Posted by blkchevyz
funny this is what started it all
but as i stated 96-97 dual cat headers suck... that just dont have the design the 93-95 do
and that is why this is a car/engine specific conversation
but as i stated 96-97 dual cat headers suck... that just dont have the design the 93-95 do
and that is why this is a car/engine specific conversation
It's nice to all be on the same page, so that when someone new to the mod world pulls up a thread like this, he gets true information. I wouldn't want someone to see this thread and go around telling everyone, I hear shorties make just as good of power as longtubes.
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From: ofallon mo
Originally Posted by Redneck Z
Still waiting for you to get a clue! Like I said check for yourself. I'm not going to do the research for you. Seek and ye shall find! I recommend talking to someone in the business. Please do us all a favor and do this before posting anymore of this nonsense! I'm actually embarrassed for you!
Like I said check for yourself. I'm not going to do the research for you. Seek and ye shall find! I recommend talking to someone in the business. Please do us all a favor and do this before posting anymore of this nonsense! I'm actually embarrassed for you! im not saying midlenghts are better im just saying that they arent nearly as bad as people make them out to be.
if you are running a big solid roller 355 or 383 or something thats making decent power then yes step up to longtubes but if you want a small to mild setup then both headers will work just fine and there prolly wont be much of a difference between the 2. Launching!
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From: ofallon mo
Originally Posted by MrBill97396
Another link and just scroll through and look at the majority in this thread which came from this sites exhaust section.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140408
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140408
thats just what i have been trying to say