LS1 vs. LT1
so... umm. lets get back on the spend 8 grand on both motors and what would happen (original post).. And i lets also talk about the fact that the lt1 can use gen 1 heads. just a thought. I personally like all of the ls1 vs lt1 threads there is usually some good information in them.
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Originally Posted by 96redcamaro
so... umm. lets get back on the spend 8 grand on both motors and what would happen (original post).. And i lets also talk about the fact that the lt1 can use gen 1 heads. just a thought. I personally like all of the ls1 vs lt1 threads there is usually some good information in them.
I start with a 2001 or 2002 A4 LS1 with factory 3.23 gears and ls6 intake. Then I buy:
Lid $100
Cutout $30
Coated Pacesetter LT headers and ORY $530
TCI SSF3500 $500
B&M 24K trans cooler $50
Ported TB $75
FLT lvl 4 4L60E $2,000
TSP PRC stage 2.5 5.3L heads/cam package with 233/239 114 lsa $2,000
Timing chain, oil pump, fuel pump, head gaskets & injectors $1,000
NX 150 wet kit with window switch & bottle heater $1,000
Dyno tune $350
Pair of MT or Hoosier drag radials (IE cheater slicks) $300
Total $7,935.00
I figure this setup would likely see high 10's on spray. Of course this was parts only. If any labor was needed (which for most of us is the case) then the 8K gets bumped up just a little
This thread is teh funny. I don't see an even competition here. Yeah a cammed LT1, full bolt ons will run mid 12s w/ stock tranny and better gears but what happens when you add a cam, bigger stall, stock gears, full bolt ons on LS1 fbody you'll see high 11s to low 12s. Given with the same amount of money into both stock LT1 and LS1 to mod the hell out of it, I can't see a LT1 being up to par with LS1 as far as being as fast and that's the truth. This same goes with adding cubic inches on both engines same story. Now I'm not saying LTx engines are crap, I think its a proven engine that can hold its own.
Last edited by bene; Sep 19, 2006 at 08:07 AM.
power is basically made with air in then air out nothing special about it, and doesnt matter what the motor is called, LZ1 whatever. so then what makes the LS1 take air in and air out better than the LT1. the LT1 can get the same flowing heads and same cam specs. acaully i think that the LT1 can get better heads, because of the fact that the LT1 can use Gen 1 heads. just a thought not trying to stir anything up.
Originally Posted by darrensls1
Ok, I'll give this my best for an 8K budget. Here is what I would do on a LS1 if I was looking at pure 1/4 mile performance.
I start with a 2001 or 2002 A4 LS1 with factory 3.23 gears and ls6 intake. Then I buy:
Lid $100
Cutout $30
Coated Pacesetter LT headers and ORY $530
TCI SSF3500 $500
B&M 24K trans cooler $50
Ported TB $75
FLT lvl 4 4L60E $2,000
TSP PRC stage 2.5 5.3L heads/cam package with 233/239 114 lsa $2,000
Timing chain, oil pump, fuel pump, head gaskets & injectors $1,000
NX 150 wet kit with window switch & bottle heater $1,000
Dyno tune $350
Pair of MT or Hoosier drag radials (IE cheater slicks) $300
Total $7,935.00
I figure this setup would likely see high 10's on spray. Of course this was parts only. If any labor was needed (which for most of us is the case) then the 8K gets bumped up just a little
I start with a 2001 or 2002 A4 LS1 with factory 3.23 gears and ls6 intake. Then I buy:
Lid $100
Cutout $30
Coated Pacesetter LT headers and ORY $530
TCI SSF3500 $500
B&M 24K trans cooler $50
Ported TB $75
FLT lvl 4 4L60E $2,000
TSP PRC stage 2.5 5.3L heads/cam package with 233/239 114 lsa $2,000
Timing chain, oil pump, fuel pump, head gaskets & injectors $1,000
NX 150 wet kit with window switch & bottle heater $1,000
Dyno tune $350
Pair of MT or Hoosier drag radials (IE cheater slicks) $300
Total $7,935.00
I figure this setup would likely see high 10's on spray. Of course this was parts only. If any labor was needed (which for most of us is the case) then the 8K gets bumped up just a little
with that in mind, are we assuming that we have a built tranny and 9 in rear and THEN we spend 8k or do we need to include that.
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Originally Posted by LSJon
I raced a head & cam LT1 from 40-110 and I put 2 cars on him...I was stock with an intake.....I havent been beat by any freak LT1's yet.....I only put down 320/350 at the wheels too.....hmmn
Originally Posted by wrd1972
This could very well be the longest running LS1 vs. LT1 thread in history.
I think I will just trade my LT1 Z28 in on the new 500HP Shelby GT500 (C6 killer) so I can taunt all yall cause my **** will be the fastest and the newest on the road.
I think God is now engineering and building motors for the Big Blue Oval.
I think I will just trade my LT1 Z28 in on the new 500HP Shelby GT500 (C6 killer) so I can taunt all yall cause my **** will be the fastest and the newest on the road.
I think God is now engineering and building motors for the Big Blue Oval.
I saw in a mag. were a stock C6 Z06, GT500, and viper went at it the viper was out the first race the GT500 beat the Z06 once and the Z06 beat the GT500 once... and correct me if I'm wrong but isnt the new camaro coming with a 600-700rwhp engine..... thats what I heard
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looks like a 3 min 1/4 time to me...peace out rear end.
with that in mind, are we assuming that we have a built tranny and 9 in rear and THEN we spend 8k or do we need to include that.
with that in mind, are we assuming that we have a built tranny and 9 in rear and THEN we spend 8k or do we need to include that.
. uhh i guess lets just stick to the 8K motor. i dont know, not my thread. i guess ask the starter of the stread. 
i would say 8k to the motor though since this is a motor vs motor thread. and not a trany vs trany thread. just my .02 Last edited by 96redcamaro; Sep 18, 2006 at 11:16 PM.
ok with that being said then how in the hell will that Fucked Off Rebuilt Dodge GT500 be the fastest and the newest on the road....
Last edited by onebadblackz; Sep 18, 2006 at 11:51 PM.
Originally Posted by onebadblackz
ok with that being said then how in the hell will that Fucked Off Rebuilt Dodge GT500 be the fastest and the newest on the road....
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Obviously LS1's are wayyyyy better than LT1's *but* the selling point for me is I can buy a low mile LT1 thats in good shape for a reasonable price and make it much faster than an LS1 for the same amount of money or much less than a comparable LS1 is. I spent around 1200$ to make my car run stock LS1 times. Now I am spending another 1200-1400$ (cam swap) to run mid 12's, you cant beat that!
Beyond that, again the LS1 is the superior engine, but the LT1 has cheaper parts, and they are much cheaper to buy. As times goes on, we'll see what happens to prices, but for a college student like myself, or someone who wants to go fast reasonably, this was a perfect financial decision.
In conclusion; LS1 far superior to an LT1 in an infinite amount of ways, *but*, it costs considerably more for those on a budget, and that is what levels the playing field.
Beyond that, again the LS1 is the superior engine, but the LT1 has cheaper parts, and they are much cheaper to buy. As times goes on, we'll see what happens to prices, but for a college student like myself, or someone who wants to go fast reasonably, this was a perfect financial decision.
In conclusion; LS1 far superior to an LT1 in an infinite amount of ways, *but*, it costs considerably more for those on a budget, and that is what levels the playing field.
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Originally Posted by MEAN LT1
Honda Hunter, the more I read your posts the more I get the feeling you want an LSx.
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Originally Posted by LSWaaa?
i think people need to factor in the fact that an LT1 is 92-97 technology whereas an LS1 is 97-03 technology. its like comparing apples to oranges.
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Originally Posted by Shawns30thannZ28
looks like a 3 min 1/4 time to me...peace out rear end.
with that in mind, are we assuming that we have a built tranny and 9 in rear and THEN we spend 8k or do we need to include that.
with that in mind, are we assuming that we have a built tranny and 9 in rear and THEN we spend 8k or do we need to include that.
1). Use Drag radials. Slicks + big power = broken 10 bolt even behind an auto.
2). Preload the drivetrain. Bring up the revs to at least 2000 rpm's so when you do launch the shock is minimal.
3). Don't spray off the line. Wait until you're at the top of first and spray the rest of the run.
You will brake it eventually but if you adhere to the above rules and your 60' times are in the 1.5-1.7 range then you'd be surprised how long the stock 10 bolts can last behind an auto.
But you are right to question the 10 bolt on this setup. With slicks or spraying off the line the 10 bolt is a goner.
Originally Posted by darrensls1
That is the beauty of an auto. Many survive well into the 10's on the stock 10 bolt. I have even heard of a few still in high 9 second cars. You just have to follow 3 simple rules.
1). Use Drag radials. Slicks + big power = broken 10 bolt even behind an auto.
2). Preload the drivetrain. Bring up the revs to at least 2000 rpm's so when you do launch the shock is minimal.
3). Don't spray off the line. Wait until you're at the top of first and spray the rest of the run.
You will brake it eventually but if you adhere to the above rules and your 60' times are in the 1.5-1.7 range then you'd be surprised how long the stock 10 bolts can last behind an auto.
But you are right to question the 10 bolt on this setup. With slicks or spraying off the line the 10 bolt is a goner.
1). Use Drag radials. Slicks + big power = broken 10 bolt even behind an auto.
2). Preload the drivetrain. Bring up the revs to at least 2000 rpm's so when you do launch the shock is minimal.
3). Don't spray off the line. Wait until you're at the top of first and spray the rest of the run.
You will brake it eventually but if you adhere to the above rules and your 60' times are in the 1.5-1.7 range then you'd be surprised how long the stock 10 bolts can last behind an auto.
But you are right to question the 10 bolt on this setup. With slicks or spraying off the line the 10 bolt is a goner.
Its a crap shoot....
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Originally Posted by slowmofo
Broke my 10 bolt this weekend with my 1.7 60's Its still driveable, but grinding and whining like crazy. However my LT1 car had alot more launches, with 1.7-1.8's on it and it was fine.
Its a crap shoot....
Its a crap shoot....
