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Old 07-19-2007 | 06:17 PM
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i have been lookin around on ebay and stuff and theres like 12 bolts that come out of like 70's models oldsmobiles and novas and stuff....and they are alot cheaper than 2300 from that EPP guy lol. would those work with a nice rebuild and set of gears? by work i mean like bolt up without problems.

and the ABS... that really is a nice feature
Old 07-19-2007 | 08:45 PM
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since we are talking about rears, what is the main differences in 9inch from 12 bolt. I am pretty sure 9 inch is stronger, being m6 preffered. ( I am guessing it can take a bigger hit from launch)
Old 07-19-2007 | 10:27 PM
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97LT1: 12 bolt would be plenty strong enough for your car, even with an M6. The 9 inch is stronger, but it's also more expensive and heavier.

There's also the Dana S60, which is cheaper than both, heavier than both, but supposedly has less drivetrain loss than both. (both = 12 bolt and 9 inch)

I wanna know what size axles and what posi most people are going with.
Old 07-20-2007 | 12:42 AM
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Another thing I have seen that people have is Ford 8.8 rears in F-Bodys. How does this work?
Old 07-20-2007 | 03:12 AM
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Where does one get a Ford 9" for 4th gen Fbody?
Is ther one plug and play or do you have to fab it up?
Old 07-20-2007 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by wrd1972
Where does one get a Ford 9" for 4th gen Fbody?
Is ther one plug and play or do you have to fab it up?
Moser Engineering makes a 9" for our cars
Old 07-20-2007 | 08:31 AM
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Currie makes one too, but I believe you have to build it yourself.

http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/12boltgm.aspx
Old 07-20-2007 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Red96TA
Another thing I have seen that people have is Ford 8.8 rears in F-Bodys. How does this work?
There are very few if any people that still do this conversion. It seems like it'd be a nice budget setup, but it's hardly that. It just isn't profitable to make them.
Old 07-20-2007 | 01:37 PM
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why is a 12bolt not as good for a m6 car? i was under the impression 12bolts were pretty bulletproof...
Old 07-20-2007 | 03:13 PM
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the way that the torque arm mounts between the strange and moser 12 bolt unit is different as well, some suspension companies wont back their torque arm if it is used on the moser because it uses 4 bolts that are threaded in to the housing instead of two bolts that go through like the stock housing
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Originally Posted by 94z28L
the way that the torque arm mounts between the strange and moser 12 bolt unit is different as well, some suspension companies wont back their torque arm if it is used on the moser because it uses 4 bolts that are threaded in to the housing instead of two bolts that go through like the stock housing
That in itself sucks about the 12 bolt.
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Originally Posted by seawolf06
97LT1: 12 bolt would be plenty strong enough for your car, even with an M6. The 9 inch is stronger, but it's also more expensive and heavier.

There's also the Dana S60, which is cheaper than both, heavier than both, but supposedly has less drivetrain loss than both. (both = 12 bolt and 9 inch)

I wanna know what size axles and what posi most people are going with.
I am planning on putting a shot on my LE3/LE4 383, you dont think I would benifit from 9 over 12? How much of a weight difference is there?
Old 07-21-2007 | 04:34 PM
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ABS <--whats that Mine went out with the old motor setup, now I have no ABS, No traction Control, No emissions, but I still have the A/C But I don't drive my car in the rain, but I haven't had any problems at all with my car not having ABS but thats just me, everyone is different
Old 07-21-2007 | 07:13 PM
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The dana 60 is stronger than the 12 bolt and the 9 inch. 12 bolt ring gear is 8.875 inches, the 9 inch is 9 inches duh, and the dana 60 is 9.75 inches. Now do you you see why the dana 60 is stronger? The 9 inch does have 3 pinion bearings though which does help a lot, that is primarily why it is stringer than the 12 bolt wich only has 2 pinion bearings. Hope this clears all this up a bit.

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Old 07-22-2007 | 12:39 AM
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hey TravisTA- would you happen to know how much heavier the s60 is than the 12bolt? just curious
Old 07-22-2007 | 03:22 AM
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I think the Dana 60 is about 20-25 lbs heavier than the 12 bolt, and the 9inch is like 15 lbs heavier than the 12 bolt.
Old 07-22-2007 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by seawolf06
There's also the Dana S60, which is cheaper than both, heavier than both, but supposedly has less drivetrain loss than both. (both = 12 bolt and 9 inch)
My mechanic went from a strange 12 bolt to strange Dana60 both with 3.73 gears in his mid 10 second LS1. He picked up 0.2 in his 1/4 time.



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