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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:19 PM
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selling my LE2 heads ported intake and cam (everything you need) with 3,000 miles on it

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I can think of two other guys who offered their LE2 setups for sale at 3000 miles in the last few months. Both of them had to sink hundreds into repairing them first. How about you?
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
I can think of two other guys who offered their LE2 setups for sale at 3000 miles in the last few months. Both of them had to sink hundreds into repairing them first. How about you?
thats a pretty big callout mr.. either your just saying that or your trying to tell me im selling ****....

dunno the car doesn't blow smoke and ran fine uhh I dunno what you want to hear.. Im going to a LSX car I'v come to the place in time where its stupid to finish this project because LSX's are the future (Had to edit this in) nothing against any of the LTX guys here the cars are awsome and sound even better but the aftermarket just isnt gonna be there anytime soon if ever and we all know what im sayin
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
I can think of two other guys who offered their LE2 setups for sale at 3000 miles in the last few months. Both of them had to sink hundreds into repairing them first. How about you?
you blame opti installs on user error, why cant these le heads/cam be a user error also? i think ryan is parting his entire car out....thats why ge is getting rid of his. ive had good luck with mine thus far. only have 1500 miles on the setup, but what makes your ai heads more superior than lloyds?
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
I can think of two other guys who offered their LE2 setups for sale at 3000 miles in the last few months. Both of them had to sink hundreds into repairing them first. How about you?
If you are of the opinion that LE stuff is junk, I don't think you will find many here who share that assessment. Regardless of what may happened with a few people selling theirs or whatever, LE's stuff has been proven to work well MANY times over a period of years.
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:32 PM
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has anyone used the Total Engine Airflow stage 2 heads. i am looking at a rebuild in the near future and the flow #s on those heads and the stage 3 are impressive.
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:33 PM
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ive heard nothing but good things about TEA.
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Originally Posted by Schweet97Z
ive heard nothing but good things about TEA.
they do great stuff for LS1's sure the LT1's is good to... I know the LE's are badass for the price though i think they flow better
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mongoose z28
has anyone used the Total Engine Airflow stage 2 heads. i am looking at a rebuild in the near future and the flow #s on those heads and the stage 3 are impressive.
I was very interested in those heads also, but I could not find any info from anyone who had them.

The #s do look good, although TEA does have kind of a reputation for being a ***** for flow #s, so I would like to see some real results from those.
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by infinitebird
If you are of the opinion that LE stuff is junk, I don't think you will find many here who share that assessment. Regardless of what may happened with a few people selling theirs or whatever, LE's stuff has been proven to work well MANY times over a period of years.
Do you have any first hand experience with his stuff or are you just going by what you read online? I've had both sets of heads on my car and I can say without a doubt that AI and LE aren't even remotly close to the same in terms of quality and performance, not to mention I also gained 24rwhp with a miss over my LE2 setup and that includes going back to a stock intake manifold vs a ported one with my le2 setup.
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A friend of mine has TEA trickflows on his SR 355 LT-1. Still workin out the bugs... Another friend of mine has a 421ci ls1 and made 533 on motor with TEA/Rapid Motorsports cam combo...
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
Do you have any first hand experience with his stuff or are you just going by what you read online? I've had both sets of heads on my car and I can say without a doubt that AI and LE aren't even remotly close to the same in terms of quality and performance, not to mention I also gained 24rwhp with a miss over my LE2 setup and that includes going back to a stock intake manifold vs a ported one with my le2 setup.
Tell me how the quality of the head is better besides AI uses a CNC and Lloyd uses the art of hand porting? Are you using the same cam as you used with the LE2 heads? Same dyno? Are you running the Stage 3 AI heads? Maybe go to a different dyno for a new reading? Im not calling you a liar, but I dont see how AI have a "better quality" head. Ive talked to both AI and Lloyd while planning to build a motor, AI wanted my 2300 bucks for their ported trickflows, Lloyd on the other hand could have said I needed new heads, but instead of tryin to make a dollar, he tells the truth and his honest opinion, on how he feels his heads will do just fine what I plan on doing.
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
Do you have any first hand experience with his stuff or are you just going by what you read online?
I don't have it on my car, but I know people who do and have rode in their cars. And yes I've read plenty online also. That's what this forum and others are for, to share knowledge and experience. And I think you would have a hard time making the case that a large number of people have not been completely satisfied with LE's stuff. I'm not saying it's the best, there is no "best" imo. It all depends on what you want and how well you build it, but there is overwhelming evidence that lots of people running LE's stuff have had good results.
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AI seem to have a good product, but I get tired of reading about how nobody else in this entire solar system can even compair to their work. Are they a sponsor to this web site? Hell no, they don't need to as much as their product gets pimp'd here. At first all you would read about here is that the LT1 heads were "superior" to the LT4 heads, until AI started porting them as well. Also there was no aftermarket head that could compaire to the AI stock ported castings, until they started porting the Trick Flow castings. Alot of the short fallings that are blaimed on the other heads out there are due to mismatched parts for the job or installation error, in my opinion. Sorry for the rant but this subject always gets my blood pumping.

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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 1997bird
AI seem to have a good product, but I get tired of reading about how nobody else in this entire solar system can even compair to their work. Are they a sponsor to this web site? Hell no, they don't need to as much as their product gets pimp'd here. At first all you would read about here is that the LT1 heads were "superior" to the LT4 heads, until AI started porting them as well. Also there was no aftermarket head that could compaire to the AI stock ported castings, until they started porting the Trick Flow castings. Alot of the short fallings that are blaimed on the other heads out there are due to mismatched parts for the job or installation error, in my opinion. Sorry for the rant but this subject always gets my blood pumping.

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i keep hearing that most AI headed cars have a miss on the top end... dont know wtf its all about, but from 3 outta the past 4 AI dyno result threads ive seen, they mention the miss they had up top while on the dyno... any1 know what thats all about?
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Originally Posted by nesqwick_05
i keep hearing that most AI headed cars have a miss on the top end... dont know wtf its all about, but from 3 outta the past 4 AI dyno result threads ive seen, they mention the miss they had up top while on the dyno... any1 know what thats all about?
No miss here:

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Originally Posted by infinitebird
I don't have it on my car, but I know people who do and have rode in their cars. And yes I've read plenty online also. That's what this forum and others are for, to share knowledge and experience. And I think you would have a hard time making the case that a large number of people have not been completely satisfied with LE's stuff. I'm not saying it's the best, there is no "best" imo. It all depends on what you want and how well you build it, but there is overwhelming evidence that lots of people running LE's stuff have had good results.
It's called having 15 cracked valve guides, ports that were 13cc's over advertised volume, and the heads actually slowed down my car over my old junk 240cfm heads.

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AI seem to have a good product, but I get tired of reading about how nobody else in this entire solar system can even compair to their work. Are they a sponsor to this web site? Hell no, they don't need to as much as their product gets pimp'd here. At first all you would read about here is that the LT1 heads were "superior" to the LT4 heads, until AI started porting them as well. Also there was no aftermarket head that could compaire to the AI stock ported castings, until they started porting the Trick Flow castings. Alot of the short fallings that are blaimed on the other heads out there are due to mismatched parts for the job or installation error, in my opinion. Sorry for the rant but this subject always gets my blood pumping.
Lloyd isn't a sponsor here anymore either yet he still post ****** with a link to his website to try to get his product out here, you don't see AI doing that. And there is no sponsor on here that ports LT1 heads that even gives us support. When was the last time you saw ETP, AFR, or tea post in this section, because I've never seen them post here.

And the guy who specs out the LE cam's got banned from this site for unadvertised soliciting, and the same thing on cz28.com combined wtih scamming a guy out of a $13k engine.

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Originally Posted by nesqwick_05
i keep hearing that most AI headed cars have a miss on the top end... dont know wtf its all about, but from 3 outta the past 4 AI dyno result threads ive seen, they mention the miss they had up top while on the dyno... any1 know what thats all about?
Yeah it's called having a loose rotor in the opti that was hitting the cap causing the miss. I guess 429rwhp is not impressive with that? And some of the LE stuff actually has solid roller lobes on their cam's
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Forgive them, Lord. For they know not what they type. Too bad Bert is banned from this site and cz28.com to clear up any misconstrued opinions.



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