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I don't think anyone has commented on Bret's cam designs, just on his personality and alluded to his business ethics, which have nothing to do with the cam specs he has been involved with.
To the OP...
AI heads have a good reputation. So do LE heads. In general, cams designed to work with a specific ported head will give 'better' results than an off the shelf cam.
Consider the head/cam specs ONLY in terms of how high you'll have to spin the motor and how steep the ramps are for longevity and supporting mod needs; otherwise, go by what you want out of the motor, recognizing that for ALMOST all real world purposes, incredible midrange power with fair top end beats paek hp with no low or midrange any day. IE, power under the curve means a lot more than raw peak hp... and flowbench peak numbers often mean less than nothing in the real world.
And keep searching and spending time reading posts, because you need to wade through the BS and come to your own conclusions based on a preponderance of the evidence. Another good approach... assuming you are really ready to drop the bucks, don't waste a guy's time... is to call the 2 or 3 top choices and ask them what expecations you might have with their various offerings. (IE, any chance that stage x head/cam will pass local emissions)
ET after ET proves nothing more than mediocrity. Bert being the way Bert is is just icing on the cake.
Not too sure what a guy being a di(khead has to do with his ability to determine a good cam profile....
I don't think anyone has commented on Bret's cam designs, just on his personality and alluded to his business ethics, which have nothing to do with the cam specs he has been involved with.
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I don't think anyone has commented on Bret's cam designs, just on his personality and alluded to his business ethics, which have nothing to do with the cam specs he has been involved with.
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He uses a cheap computer program that tells him the nastiest most aggressive lobes in the catalogue will make most power and ignores the true reliability and longevity that need to be considered for the street.
He is selling guys cams with more lift on a 1.5 rocker than mine has on a 1.6. Most people just put too much blind faith in him to realize in a few thousand miles when they have problems that it was his fault.
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He uses a cheap computer program that tells him the nastiest most aggressive lobes in the catalogue will make most power and ignores the true reliability and longevity that need to be considered for the street.
He is selling guys cams with more lift on a 1.5 rocker than mine has on a 1.6. Most people just put too much blind faith in him to realize in a few thousand miles when they have problems that it was his fault.
He is selling guys cams with more lift on a 1.5 rocker than mine has on a 1.6. Most people just put too much blind faith in him to realize in a few thousand miles when they have problems that it was his fault.
With the quoted post, mgr, where you claim to know how things work with Bret, I just had to respond after I picked myself up from the floor (ROFLMAO). You need to be careful when you state your opinions as facts to someone who knows what really goes on.
mgr, in this instance, you don't have a clue. I have never seen you around the shop, and I doubt if you have ever had a face-to-face or telecon with Bret. Have you? You really should try it. I'm absolutely positive you could learn a lot. Over the years I have given credibility to a few things you have posted. I need to rethink that; you just fell out the bottom of my credibility meter. I don't really care whether that bothers you or not, but the more gullible readers here need to be advised. You just stepped on your "tie", Big Guy.
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Jon
We've been here before. Good luck with that...
Basically he feels for whatever reason that his mission is to bash any non-AI recommendation for heads, so he'll invent whatever useless BS he needs to do that.
Basically he feels for whatever reason that his mission is to bash any non-AI recommendation for heads, so he'll invent whatever useless BS he needs to do that.
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I have run same track same day as LE/BB stuff and came out on top despite 10% less displacement and GM castings as opposed to aftermarket. People want to forget that though because it is inconvenient to their beliefs.
There were two NA cars faster than mine that day, one another AI headed car, the other a Lingenfelter headed car with tweaks by Mike Harris, that one was a road race car with a tranny problem and still beat me by .1. It was proof that a stroker and a road race car should have outrun me that day but the popular options of Golen and LE/BB failed to do so because they are NOT up to the level they are claimed to be. I think there are other good shops just not focusing on LTx stuff like AI and LE, Lingenfelter pops into mind as a very good option. Several other shops that have had some good but inconsistent results like GTP.
There were two NA cars faster than mine that day, one another AI headed car, the other a Lingenfelter headed car with tweaks by Mike Harris, that one was a road race car with a tranny problem and still beat me by .1. It was proof that a stroker and a road race car should have outrun me that day but the popular options of Golen and LE/BB failed to do so because they are NOT up to the level they are claimed to be. I think there are other good shops just not focusing on LTx stuff like AI and LE, Lingenfelter pops into mind as a very good option. Several other shops that have had some good but inconsistent results like GTP.
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Go with an Llyod Elliot Setup. Last edited by Whitez406; Jan 27, 2008 at 10:47 PM.
That doesn't prove anything at all, there are WAY TOO MANY OTHER VARIABLES TO CONSIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will probably NEVER buy anything from AI just b/c of YOU! Does AI have a good product, yes I would have to say they probably do. Are there other venders out there that make as good or better products, I would have to say most definately. 
Do you want a gold star or something? That doesn't prove anything at all, there are WAY TOO MANY OTHER VARIABLES TO CONSIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will probably NEVER buy anything from AI just b/c of YOU! Does AI have a good product, yes I would have to say they probably do. Are there other venders out there that make as good or better products, I would have to say most definately.
That doesn't prove anything at all, there are WAY TOO MANY OTHER VARIABLES TO CONSIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will probably NEVER buy anything from AI just b/c of YOU! Does AI have a good product, yes I would have to say they probably do. Are there other venders out there that make as good or better products, I would have to say most definately.LE2 setup, ported intake, 405/372
AI 200cc setup, stock intake, 429/385 with a miss.
Or are there too many variables here too?
Do you want a gold star or something? That doesn't prove anything at all, there are WAY TOO MANY OTHER VARIABLES TO CONSIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will probably NEVER buy anything from AI just b/c of YOU! Does AI have a good product, yes I would have to say they probably do. Are there other venders out there that make as good or better products, I would have to say most definately.
That doesn't prove anything at all, there are WAY TOO MANY OTHER VARIABLES TO CONSIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will probably NEVER buy anything from AI just b/c of YOU! Does AI have a good product, yes I would have to say they probably do. Are there other venders out there that make as good or better products, I would have to say most definately. https://ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt4-modifications/852477-what-good-numbers-ported-stock-heads.html
Here is his answer to having his favorite manufacturer see if they would want to become a sponsor to this site ("to help give the poor LT1 crowd someone to give actual support")
The rest of his replies are in the provided link to read if you want.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=852477
The rest of his replies are in the provided link to read if you want.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=852477
I'll have track results as soon as the tnt's stop getting rained out to back up the dyno #'s. I ran in -1000' d/a with my old setup so you might want to think up of some new excuses over the typical "what was the d/a" bullshit. I also forgot to mention my le2 heads slowed my car down over my old heads that only flowed 240 cfm. Why are you so hung up on them becoming a sponsor? Bret was never a sponsor but he posted and pm'd all the time taking away from sponsors on both sites, lloyd isn't a sponsor yet he posts on both sites taking away money from sponsors. AI doesn't post or take money away from sponsors. And when was the last time you saw a sponsor that is a head porter (tea, etp, AFR, ect) post in here and give support to the LT1 community?
I'm supprised you haven't run out of excuses yet. I'll have track results as soon as the tnt's stop getting rained out to back up the dyno #'s. I ran in -1000' d/a with my old setup so you might want to think up of some new excuses over the typical "what was the d/a" bullshit. I also forgot to mention my le2 heads slowed my car down over my old heads that only flowed 240 cfm.
I'll have track results as soon as the tnt's stop getting rained out to back up the dyno #'s. I ran in -1000' d/a with my old setup so you might want to think up of some new excuses over the typical "what was the d/a" bullshit. I also forgot to mention my le2 heads slowed my car down over my old heads that only flowed 240 cfm.