botlfed

has anyone ran a set of these yet i rember some talk about them does anyone have any final flow numbers or track time yet

TAEnvy

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I think bradys made 330cfm at .625.

He trapped something like 126 on his shakedown NA runs. Cars probably got a 130 na pass in it.

Thats with a converted single plane and solid roller.

Tireburnin

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I think some Ai ported LT1 heads with an Lt1 manifold and less cubes has run the same (quicker ET) on shake down passes. I guess if you just like spending lots of money on unproven parts.

96capricemgr

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11.2 Et

TwoFast4Lv

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Bradys car was not even close to making all out passes. I see mid tens on them easy. Let Brady get his stuff dailed in and watch him roll

TAEnvy

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As far as im concerned it isnt a head porters job to lower your et, its his job to raise your mph and the customers job to use the mph to lower the ET.

How many AI cars ran 126+ mph on a shakedown pass?

Tireburnin

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More than half a dozen off the top of my head (you said Ai in general so not specific to any one setup). Do a little research before asking questions you don't know the answer to.

TAEnvy

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Well come on, Im not gonna compare a boosted Ai setup or an AI setup on spray to a NA build. Thats ridiculous.

Of all the AI stuff, I can think of 2 or mayeb 3 that did it on a shakedown run.

Old SStroker

Referring to Brady's heads, here is a quote from someone who knows them well:

"This set made 330cfm @ .625" lift due to the valve job and application (drag race). This head for a street or road race application will flow slightly less because of some changes we make for the application. This is with a 2.04" valve and a 4.030" bore."

botlfed

who is doing the cnc job on his heads? i think when i was on ai website there flow numbers were nowhere near 330

roadtrip120

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LOL, give me some time to dial in the setup.

As of right now,
11.1 A/F
4th gear is out
rear end is out


I did trap 126mph first weekend out, slow shifting 4th, and traping 99-100mph in the 8th. I did trap a 102mph in the 8th but missed 4th gear , and went 118mph. As of right now the car is capiable of 128-129mph, in 2500ft DA..

Give me some time to lean out the setup and dial it in , run in some good air, i feel it will go 130mph.

96capricemgr

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Not the same head atall. Don't let a meaningless little detail like that get in your way though.

botlfed

the dart heads on ai website are not the same

Old SStroker

LOL! T4P heads are most definitely NOT from AI.

jasonisdn

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Brady did a brave thing buying an untested head. Looking at the setup though it should run better than it is and thanks to Brady it probally will. Just don't get confused that it's being done with a single plane intake and a solid roller setup. Also Brady can maybe help shed some light on the compression ratio and weight of the car and other factors , that would have aneffect in on the MPH and ET. (I'm trying to be nice Brady, since you are a stand up guy. If need be PM me) Seems some people like to throw out flow numbers without supporting evidence to back up their claims. Also since said maker of these heads has been banned from this site shouldn't his product line be?
See you at PRI

Tireburnin

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I agree, please don't confuse Trash 4 Products with anthing of quality.

botlfed

so are these heads not as good as stock castings?i thought the t4p heads came right from dart someone else just cncd them

jasonisdn

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They are dart castings done on cnc machine. The port is only as good as it's designer. So you have to look at who made the port that was scanned into the cnc machine. Best thing you can do is set back and watch the results Brady gets and decide for yourself. Just make sure you have all the other info on Bradys setup or you will come up short of his results. Remember though he already stated you would get less out of them for a street car.

Tireburnin

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T4P is Bert Bauer trying to start a new company. He started it as a partnership between a couple of shops but like every BRE part, it is easier to cloud it in mystery with acronyms than let the product speak for itself.

Bert buys a set of Darts (which he feels are gods gift to the LT1) and sends them to his choice of cnc shop. They throw a port in from some other guy, and bert and ernie send friends out to the forums to advertise them.

They are aftermarket castings ported and assembled by T4P. Aftermarket castings have pros and cons to stock castings. Budget and results should determine what head you use, not name.

roadtrip120

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Compression is around 11.1-11.4
Weight - not sure , the scales at the LTX shootout were broke, so no one scaled that day. Last time out it was 3460 with me, but i have pulled alot of stuff and added alot of stuff. My best guess is 3400-3600 with me.

I had no doubt in my mind that these heads would perform. I have built 4 BRE / Lloyd setups for friends and myself, with amazing results. Bret said I could make the kind of power i wanted by doing with these heads over a set of Brodix or AFR, so i did. I dont regret it one bit, not even the price.

T4P stands for " Thanks for Playing" Its a saying that got made up for when someone gets walked on. The joke was that by stamping these heads with the logo, that when ever i walked someone, i could say "thanks for playing".


I'm not saying these are the greatest thing out their for everyone's setup, but they work great for mine. Not everyone's setup will run the same as the next, setup's are all different so be careful when you compare. I do have a built track car, everything from a 9", to full suspension, so solid roller and single plane , to weight reduction. Thats what i built the car , so if it runs crazy times at the track thats why.



I have put around 60K in this car in the past 5 years, buying and sell parts, upgrading this and upgrading that. It was all worth it, too stand infront of my LT1 peers and hold up a trophy with a opti on top. That was posiable because of the knowledge learned from friends and the message boards, the cash spent over the years, the late night staying up to 6 am when you have to leave for the race at 6:10 am, the business owners and there employees that take time to help out ,making quilty parts and getting them shipped out on time . All worth it evey last bit of it.

For any of you guys to talk trash on someone else's products because they didn't run good on someones car is ignorant. The product maker can not control what happens to the parts once they leave the shop, the driver, the car, the setup on the car, lack of proper installation, parts not working together with other parts all contribute to a car running worth a damn or not.


For the internet's sake, i hope to have the rear end fixed soon and get back to the track for some more TNT.