Does YOUR Clutch Setup need a Shim?
#221
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I'm in the processs of measuring If shims are needed with my lt1-s now. Measurement A from different locations of the pressure plate fingers I get anywhere from 2.147-2.168. Which should I go with when i subtract from B. I'm thinking lower measurement since that would be the finger closer the bearing/slave. I called monster and whom ever I spoke with said the higher number 2.168
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I use the lowest number - closest to the slave
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Having the same concerns as Eiyse98ls1. Setup: 06 GTO LS2 and matching T56. Putting in a Monster Stage 2 setup, including 18 lb. flywheel.
Trying to get valid measurements to check for shims. Monster calls for a bearing clearance of 0.0625-0.200 from here. I was able to eliminate play in the TO and get a solid reading by clamping the straight edge like so:
B = 1.950 on each side
The engine side is more problematic. I am getting 2.318 to 2.353 depending on what finger of the PP I measure and from what point of the BH. I clamped the caliper to eliminate human error but the range is still 0.035.
All of the measurements I took:
2.318
2.321
2.327
2.344
2.353
So I have the wide range of 0.035 from shortest to longest yielding a bearing clearance range of:
A-B = 0.368 to 0.403
I would I assume I want to land in the middle of the range since I have a 0.035 variance in my readings and unless I get a custom shim made you only have 7 thicknesses to work from.. sound right?
Monster's Recommendation is bearing clearance of 0.0625 to 0.200.
Based of Tick's 3 shims, using:
55 + 180 shims = 0.235 thick, yields bearing clearance of 0.133 to 0.168.
113 + 180 shims = 0.293 thick, yields bearing clearance of 0.075 to 0.110.
I feel like the 55+180 is right for me, solidly in the middle.
Comments, anyone??? Sound right?
Trying to get valid measurements to check for shims. Monster calls for a bearing clearance of 0.0625-0.200 from here. I was able to eliminate play in the TO and get a solid reading by clamping the straight edge like so:
B = 1.950 on each side
The engine side is more problematic. I am getting 2.318 to 2.353 depending on what finger of the PP I measure and from what point of the BH. I clamped the caliper to eliminate human error but the range is still 0.035.
All of the measurements I took:
2.318
2.321
2.327
2.344
2.353
So I have the wide range of 0.035 from shortest to longest yielding a bearing clearance range of:
A-B = 0.368 to 0.403
I would I assume I want to land in the middle of the range since I have a 0.035 variance in my readings and unless I get a custom shim made you only have 7 thicknesses to work from.. sound right?
Monster's Recommendation is bearing clearance of 0.0625 to 0.200.
Based of Tick's 3 shims, using:
55 + 180 shims = 0.235 thick, yields bearing clearance of 0.133 to 0.168.
113 + 180 shims = 0.293 thick, yields bearing clearance of 0.075 to 0.110.
I feel like the 55+180 is right for me, solidly in the middle.
Comments, anyone??? Sound right?
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Doesn't seem right.
Replacing my clutch and hydraulics. Measuring for a shim on a new oem slave,but this is as far as I can get it to push in with the spring off. Do you have to force it in to go further or is this maybe a busted slave?
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Regardless, it doesnt matter. If you follow the correct method for measuring a slave shim it should take into account the differences between various slaves. Do not use any amount of excessive force to make a slave cylinder "bottom out" with the spring removed.
#228
I have bad problem with my slave clearance.
A=2.12
B=2.24
So cap is -0.12!
Car is C5 with spec twin clutch.
Clutch actuator is GM 24264180. I measure two GM slave and both have 2.24.
I didint find any thinner clutch actuators. I buy clutch used and its look fine.
I have K1 crank and was thinking, can crank be longer?
A=2.12
B=2.24
So cap is -0.12!
Car is C5 with spec twin clutch.
Clutch actuator is GM 24264180. I measure two GM slave and both have 2.24.
I didint find any thinner clutch actuators. I buy clutch used and its look fine.
I have K1 crank and was thinking, can crank be longer?
#229
Problem solved.
This clutch was everything else than like new like seller say.
I ask from spec new plates thicknes, they are 8.89mm, this clutch plates was 8.2mm and 8.4mm. Thats why clutch fingers to bellhouse was 54mm and not 60mm like its should be. So clutch is worn and cant be work right when it was used last time.
This clutch was everything else than like new like seller say.
I ask from spec new plates thicknes, they are 8.89mm, this clutch plates was 8.2mm and 8.4mm. Thats why clutch fingers to bellhouse was 54mm and not 60mm like its should be. So clutch is worn and cant be work right when it was used last time.
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I have a McLeod RST dual plate clutch with a Fidanza aluminum flywheel, T56 Magnum, and stock slave cyl. Measurements I got were:
A= 2.264
B= 1.937
A-B = 0.327
This is obviously way over 1/8" and even over 1/5". I sent an email to McLeod just now, as I have heard that they should not be used with a shim, but I am not sure. We will see what they say. Anyone with any experience with McLeod dual plate clutches want to weigh in?
A= 2.264
B= 1.937
A-B = 0.327
This is obviously way over 1/8" and even over 1/5". I sent an email to McLeod just now, as I have heard that they should not be used with a shim, but I am not sure. We will see what they say. Anyone with any experience with McLeod dual plate clutches want to weigh in?
#234
Did you ever get this sorted out? Im in the same boat, same exact setup.
- 06 GTO, Monster stage 2, 18 lb flywheel, included slave(AP), 0.406" difference from A to B
- 06 GTO, Monster stage 2, 18 lb flywheel, included slave(AP), 0.406" difference from A to B
Having the same concerns as Eiyse98ls1. Setup: 06 GTO LS2 and matching T56. Putting in a Monster Stage 2 setup, including 18 lb. flywheel.
Trying to get valid measurements to check for shims. Monster calls for a bearing clearance of 0.0625-0.200 from here. I was able to eliminate play in the TO and get a solid reading by clamping the straight edge like so:
So I have the wide range of 0.035 from shortest to longest yielding a bearing clearance range of:
A-B = 0.368 to 0.403
Trying to get valid measurements to check for shims. Monster calls for a bearing clearance of 0.0625-0.200 from here. I was able to eliminate play in the TO and get a solid reading by clamping the straight edge like so:
So I have the wide range of 0.035 from shortest to longest yielding a bearing clearance range of:
A-B = 0.368 to 0.403
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Installing monster s3 on a mcleod bellhousing. I have ticks shim package and if I use two biggest shims it puts me at .163". However, if I use two shims I loose the alignment of the slave. I tried centering but when I use the caliper it's off.
What's the proposed course of action? Get it as close as possible?
What's the proposed course of action? Get it as close as possible?
#237
This process sounds like its VERY EASY to make a mistake measuring. Why dont you guys just use the modelling clay method we have been using for DECADES to check piston to valve clearance?!?!?!?
#238
Shim Help
Hey guys I am purchasing a monster clutch level 2 for my 2000 Camaro SS, if I’m not mistaken it comes with the slave cylinder/throwout bearing and pilot bearing, does anyone know if it comes with the appropriate shim or what would be the appropriate shim size. My clutch isn’t disengaging the car won’t go in gear, I replace the slave cylinder on there and the master cylinder and bled it properly, with the help of someone on this form I was able to determine that neither one of them are the problem the clutch is the problem, thanks in advance for any info or advice
#239
Shim question
Hey guys new to ls1 form not sure if I’m posting in the right place i’m going to purchase a monster level 2 clutch for my 2000 camaro ss, And if I’m not mistaken I believe it comes with the slave cylinder/throwout bearing and the pilot bearing, does anyone know if it comes with the appropriate size shim or if not what would be the appropriate size shim. My clutch isn’t disengaging properly I have replace the slave cylinder and also the master cylinder and Bled it properly, With the help of someone from the form I was able to determine that neither one was the problem that it is the clutch thanks for any info or advice
#240
Hey guys new to ls1 form not sure if I’m posting in the right place i’m going to purchase a monster level 2 clutch for my 2000 camaro ss, And if I’m not mistaken I believe it comes with the slave cylinder/throwout bearing and the pilot bearing, does anyone know if it comes with the appropriate size shim or if not what would be the appropriate size shim. My clutch isn’t disengaging properly I have replace the slave cylinder and also the master cylinder and Bled it properly, With the help of someone from the form I was able to determine that neither one was the problem that it is the clutch thanks for any info or advice