MGW Shifter - No Limit Stops
04-24-2009, 01:57 PM
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MGW Shifter - No Limit Stops For those of you that plan to powershift your car:
The MGW shifter does not have a limit stop adjustment.
I spoke with MGW this morning (real nice guy) and he told me that they rely on the stops built in to the T56.
The problem is that the T56 stops come after the shift fork. And we all know that the shift fork can be broken while power shifting the car.
The avoid this it's best to have a shifter that has an adjustable limit stop. The engineer at Tremec (TTC) stated this himself.
I just thought I'd share the info with my fellow brethren.
I've decided on a Hurst Billet with an adjustable stop.
The MGW shifter does not have a limit stop adjustment.
I spoke with MGW this morning (real nice guy) and he told me that they rely on the stops built in to the T56.
The problem is that the T56 stops come after the shift fork. And we all know that the shift fork can be broken while power shifting the car.
The avoid this it's best to have a shifter that has an adjustable limit stop. The engineer at Tremec (TTC) stated this himself.
I just thought I'd share the info with my fellow brethren.
I've decided on a Hurst Billet with an adjustable stop.
04-28-2009, 12:20 AM
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People have broken the shift forks with the Pro 5.0 which has adjustable stops as well.
The forks are soft in the T56 and can break pretty much anytime you drive the car hard. Ive seen and read about people breaking them with the stock shifter as well.
The forks are soft in the T56 and can break pretty much anytime you drive the car hard. Ive seen and read about people breaking them with the stock shifter as well.
04-28-2009, 07:35 PM
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I just took a factory Hurst out to install a Hurst Billet with stops.
And I adjusted the stops per the instructions - tighten stop until it touches the stick, then back off 1/2 turn and tighten down.
I agree that the stock shifter has caused transmission failure. It happened to a friend's Z06 - he power shifted the car with the stock shifter and he broke the tranny.
My point is that the MGW is just like the stock shifter in the regard that it does not have a limit stop - a bad design in my opinion for a performance UPGRADE over the stock shifter.... but it's hardly an upgrade if they don't give you stops to HELP the transmission live...
Take it for what it's worth... just my 2 cents.
Good luck.
And I adjusted the stops per the instructions - tighten stop until it touches the stick, then back off 1/2 turn and tighten down.
I agree that the stock shifter has caused transmission failure. It happened to a friend's Z06 - he power shifted the car with the stock shifter and he broke the tranny.
My point is that the MGW is just like the stock shifter in the regard that it does not have a limit stop - a bad design in my opinion for a performance UPGRADE over the stock shifter.... but it's hardly an upgrade if they don't give you stops to HELP the transmission live...
Take it for what it's worth... just my 2 cents.
Good luck.
05-01-2009, 07:42 AM
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NO we all don't agree that the stop is needed. If you had actually reviewed the inside of a T56 you would see that the guidplate limits the travel of the shift rail. That limit is BEFORE the shift fork .So No, the stop is not after the fork. The way shifter stops work is to limit the travel of the stick. This does nothing if adjusted right because they are before the guide plate as stated above. It is possible to damage a fork while shifting but only if you can deliver 300-400 lbs of force- not a normal human capability. The forks that have been damaged are worn at the rails. An iron 3.4 fork is now avialable and solves thak. What REALLY damages forks is a missed shift that results in a clash. The clash is the gear rejecting the sleeve. That load is extremely high. The stops in a shifter will do absolutely nothing to prevent clash shift damage because their travel control is in the OPOSITE direction of travel. Bottom line is use the stops if it makes you feel better and want to spend your money on something BUT they do nothing to protect your transmission.
I commend the guts of marketing a performance shifter without stops in the face of such mis-information out there on what stops do.
I commend the guts of marketing a performance shifter without stops in the face of such mis-information out there on what stops do.
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05-01-2009, 11:45 AM
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NO we all don't agree that the stop is needed. If you had actually reviewed the inside of a T56 you would see that the guidplate limits the travel of the shift rail. That limit is BEFORE the shift fork .So No, the stop is not after the fork. The way shifter stops work is to limit the travel of the stick. This does nothing if adjusted right because they are before the guide plate as stated above. It is possible to damage a fork while shifting but only if you can deliver 300-400 lbs of force- not a normal human capability. The forks that have been damaged are worn at the rails. An iron 3.4 fork is now avialable and solves thak. What REALLY damages forks is a missed shift that results in a clash. The clash is the gear rejecting the sleeve. That load is extremely high. The stops in a shifter will do absolutely nothing to prevent clash shift damage because their travel control is in the OPOSITE direction of travel. Bottom line is use the stops if it makes you feel better and want to spend your money on something BUT they do nothing to protect your transmission.
I commend the guts of marketing a performance shifter without stops in the face of such mis-information out there on what stops do.
I commend the guts of marketing a performance shifter without stops in the face of such mis-information out there on what stops do.
Sorry, but when the engineer at Tremec (who designed and built the T56) tells me that stops are a good idea, I'm going with a shifter that has stops...
And the engineer also told me that the stop comes after the fork. Sorry, but I tend to believe the guy who designed/built the damn tranny.
05-01-2009, 12:51 PM
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Sorry, but when the engineer at Tremec (who designed and built the T56) tells me that stops are a good idea, I'm going with a shifter that has stops...
And the engineer also told me that the stop comes after the fork. Sorry, but I tend to believe the guy who designed/built the damn tranny.
And the engineer also told me that the stop comes after the fork. Sorry, but I tend to believe the guy who designed/built the damn tranny.
And as stated above you need to do even more research on these trannys if you don't even know who made them.
05-01-2009, 01:33 PM
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WOW, what a noob. You will learn in due time not to listen to GM about ****. There are members on here who can tear down their car completely including wiring harness & rebuild it better than GM did from the factory. I tend to believe those with actual first hand mechanical knowledge, not some guy at GM sitting behind a desk who has never even done the work being asked about.
And as stated above you need to do even more research on these trannys if you don't even know who made them.
And as stated above you need to do even more research on these trannys if you don't even know who made them.
I called the CURRENT designer/builder of the T56 to get my information.
Sorry for the technicality in my previous post and for not giving Borge WArner the credit due.
Go die in a fire.
05-01-2009, 01:39 PM
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Oh the irony of you busting my *** for calling "GM" when they didn't design or build the T56...
I called the CURRENT designer/builder of the T56 to get my information.
Sorry for the technicality in my previous post and for not giving Borge WArner the credit due.
Go die in a fire.
I called the CURRENT designer/builder of the T56 to get my information.
Sorry for the technicality in my previous post and for not giving Borge WArner the credit due.
Go die in a fire.
The rest of us will listen to people with actual mechanical knowledge of these cars, not pencil pushers who have never had their hands on the actual parts being asked about.
05-01-2009, 02:18 PM
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Sorry your such a dumb ***, LOL. You go ahead & talk to dealers if it makes you feel all warm & fuzy if you feel you need.
The rest of us will listen to people with actual mechanical knowledge of these cars, not pencil pushers who have never had their hands on the actual parts being asked about.
The rest of us will listen to people with actual mechanical knowledge of these cars, not pencil pushers who have never had their hands on the actual parts being asked about.
But the contractors building it know more about it... yet they had NO input on the design....
Aren't you a genius.
Go **** in someone elses thread.
05-01-2009, 02:31 PM
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I'm sorry that there is a BS flag on the notion there is one engineer designing & building T56s. Also the notion that that guy had time to speak to you. I don't doubt some one told you that but it was no Tremec engineer and also no one that knew much about T56s.
05-01-2009, 03:06 PM
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Now you're saying that no one under the Architect has any clue as to how the structure is designed...
I didn't know there were this many geniuses on tech...