Clutch selection for 525 ft*lb of torque
#1
Clutch selection for 525 ft*lb of torque
I'm looking for a street friendly (more than just on and off) that can handle about 525 ft*lb of torque @ the wheels. It looks like there is a wide range of prices for the same torque or power ratings. What's the difference between the cheaper clutches and the more expensive cluches (besides the price)?
SPEC Stage 2 Clutch
550 ft*lb rating
$390
Zoom Performance Products F2-70185
589 ft*lb rating
$430
Centerforce DF395010 Dual Friction Clutch
about 620 hp rating
$440
SPEC Stage 3
680 ft*lb rating
$450
SPEC Stage 2 PLUS
620 ft*lb rating
$450
Centerforce DF017010 Dual Friction Clutch
about 620 hp rating
$455
24255748 – LS7 Clutch
12571611 – LS7 Flywheel
about 525 rear wheel hp
$460
Ram Clutches 98931HD
Bearing not included.
slave 798-78165 or adjustable master 798-510 recommended
650 hp rating
$532
SPEC Stage 3 PLUS
850 ft*lb rating
$540
Monster Clutch Level 2
550 hp or ft*lb rating
includes flywheel
$630
Monster Clutch Level 3
700 hp or ft*lb rating
includes flywheel
$650
McLeod RST Twin Clutch
800 hp rating
works with stock flywheel
$690
Manic ER2 Single Clutch Kit
700 hp rating
$755
Monster Clutch Level 4
700 hp or ft*lb rating
includes flywheel
$780
Monster Clutch Level 5
825 hp or ft*lb rating
includes flywheel
$880
Monster Clutch Level 6
900 hp or ft*lb rating
includes flywheel
$980
Textralia OZ-700 Singe Disc Clutch
650 whp rating
$980
SPEC Stage 2 Clutch
550 ft*lb rating
$390
Zoom Performance Products F2-70185
589 ft*lb rating
$430
Centerforce DF395010 Dual Friction Clutch
about 620 hp rating
$440
SPEC Stage 3
680 ft*lb rating
$450
SPEC Stage 2 PLUS
620 ft*lb rating
$450
Centerforce DF017010 Dual Friction Clutch
about 620 hp rating
$455
24255748 – LS7 Clutch
12571611 – LS7 Flywheel
about 525 rear wheel hp
$460
Ram Clutches 98931HD
Bearing not included.
slave 798-78165 or adjustable master 798-510 recommended
650 hp rating
$532
SPEC Stage 3 PLUS
850 ft*lb rating
$540
Monster Clutch Level 2
550 hp or ft*lb rating
includes flywheel
$630
Monster Clutch Level 3
700 hp or ft*lb rating
includes flywheel
$650
McLeod RST Twin Clutch
800 hp rating
works with stock flywheel
$690
Manic ER2 Single Clutch Kit
700 hp rating
$755
Monster Clutch Level 4
700 hp or ft*lb rating
includes flywheel
$780
Monster Clutch Level 5
825 hp or ft*lb rating
includes flywheel
$880
Monster Clutch Level 6
900 hp or ft*lb rating
includes flywheel
$980
Textralia OZ-700 Singe Disc Clutch
650 whp rating
$980
Last edited by tb30570; 07-31-2012 at 11:13 PM.
#3
Is your torque rating at the crank or the wheels. Our listed capacities are rated at the crank so I want to make sure we are on the same page. Let me know and I will be happy to make a recommendation. Thanks!
#5
I'm not sure what the torque losses are through the drivetrain. I'd guess the crank torque output should be between 540-575 ft*lb.
I've never weighed the car, but I'm guessing about 3600lb with me in it.
RXT might be more than I need. I'd consider RST though.
I don't plan on doing anymore engine mods because the bottom end wouldn't last very long.
Last edited by tb30570; 08-02-2012 at 10:20 PM.
#6
What is the weight of the car and how sticky a tire do you plan on launching on. I just installed an RXT twin, I really like the pedal feel. It is a bit grabby but you can't have everything.
Above all else make sure that you have someone that knows how to set the clutch up otherwise they quickly turn into a paper weight.
Above all else make sure that you have someone that knows how to set the clutch up otherwise they quickly turn into a paper weight.
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#9
single disc clutches advertised to support your TQ will be aggressive disc material which, IMHO, will not be as friendly for street driving as the organic disc twin.
by "friendly" that is subjective as each person would have his/her own opinion on what street friendly is.
the SPEC 3+ full face disc as a single disc clutch would be a distant 2nd choice very distant
Monster makes a quality clutch also, not sure if they make an organic twin disc for youur car but if so that would work.
The twin disc clutches with puc or ceramic disc faces will hold the most but not be as friendly on the street.
#11
I think you will find that there are a tremendous number of users/supporters of the Stage 3+ that would catagorize it as extremely street friendly and easily daily drivable. Remember that many factors affect smoothness and these include flywheel flatness, break-in, driving style, etc... Of course, a twin disc is a great options and we offer these as well. I provided a link below. Your torque level really doesn't necessitate the use of a twin but you could certainly use one if you like!
http://www.specclutch.com/cars/Chevy...000/Super_Twin
Our twins use complete billet construction, are available with steel or aluminum flywheels, and are offered in 4 different disc configurations to provide you with a combination that will easily meet your torque needs and desire for smooth engagement!
http://www.specclutch.com/cars/Chevy...000/Super_Twin
Our twins use complete billet construction, are available with steel or aluminum flywheels, and are offered in 4 different disc configurations to provide you with a combination that will easily meet your torque needs and desire for smooth engagement!
#12
[QUOTE=tb30570;16584818]should I replace anything while replacing the clutch like the flywheel? do I need to buy a throw-out bearing?
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any type of clutch you get the FW, TO and pilot bearing should be replaced or at thevery least the FW should be resurfaced if using the old one
any clutch kit I have seen comes with a new TO bearing & pilot bearing, at least LT1 "pull type"
a "twin disc" clutch will have a specific FW that is part of that kit and most companies offering twin disc clutches also offer aluminum or steel FW. I would get the steel.
also I believe McLeod recommends or requires a slave change to the hydraulics so check with them. Not sure about SPEC so ping jeremy
It sounds like you may have existing hydraulic issues which will need to be addressed if keeping your current system
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any type of clutch you get the FW, TO and pilot bearing should be replaced or at thevery least the FW should be resurfaced if using the old one
any clutch kit I have seen comes with a new TO bearing & pilot bearing, at least LT1 "pull type"
a "twin disc" clutch will have a specific FW that is part of that kit and most companies offering twin disc clutches also offer aluminum or steel FW. I would get the steel.
also I believe McLeod recommends or requires a slave change to the hydraulics so check with them. Not sure about SPEC so ping jeremy
It sounds like you may have existing hydraulic issues which will need to be addressed if keeping your current system
#13
Our level 2 is not at all aggressive in any way and it will hold what you have without issues. Our level 1 twin will hold all you have and much, much more without being aggressive at all, it also has a two year warranty that is unprecedented in the clutch industry.
I will say that even if you don't buy our clutch do not buy a unit without a billet flywheel. Don't skimp on something that spins at 6500+ rpm by your feet.
I will say that even if you don't buy our clutch do not buy a unit without a billet flywheel. Don't skimp on something that spins at 6500+ rpm by your feet.
#14
#15
Here is my shopping list:
McLeod RST
http://speed-eng.com/store/mcleod-se...o-p-10227.html
$689.99+free shipping
Tick Performance Remote Clutch SPEEDbleeder Line
http://www.tickperformance.com/tick-...to-ls1-f-body/
$49.99+$6.75 shipping
total $1303.25
Does this look like a pretty good setup?
My biggest concern is the LS7 flywheel. According to the McLeod website, the RST must be used with a LS1 flat style flywheel. Will it work with an LS7 flywheel? http://www.mcleodracing.com/products/RST+Twin+Disc.mcl
"Needs LS1 Flat style flywheel with this application."
If the LS7 flywheel doesn't work with the McLeod RST, what is the part number for the LS1 C5 flywheel? Could I use a billet steel Spec flywheel for $233.10 if I need an LS1 style flywheel. Is that a better opion?
http://www.tickperformance.com/spec-...-ls6-flywheel/
McLeod RST
http://speed-eng.com/store/mcleod-se...o-p-10227.html
$689.99+free shipping
Tick Performance Remote Clutch SPEEDbleeder Line
http://www.tickperformance.com/tick-...to-ls1-f-body/
$49.99+$6.75 shipping
total $1303.25
Does this look like a pretty good setup?
My biggest concern is the LS7 flywheel. According to the McLeod website, the RST must be used with a LS1 flat style flywheel. Will it work with an LS7 flywheel? http://www.mcleodracing.com/products/RST+Twin+Disc.mcl
"Needs LS1 Flat style flywheel with this application."
If the LS7 flywheel doesn't work with the McLeod RST, what is the part number for the LS1 C5 flywheel? Could I use a billet steel Spec flywheel for $233.10 if I need an LS1 style flywheel. Is that a better opion?
http://www.tickperformance.com/spec-...-ls6-flywheel/
Last edited by tb30570; 08-04-2012 at 07:21 PM.
#16
Here is my shopping list:
McLeod RST
http://speed-eng.com/store/mcleod-se...o-p-10227.html
$689.99+free shipping
Tick Performance Remote Clutch SPEEDbleeder Line
http://www.tickperformance.com/tick-...to-ls1-f-body/
$49.99+$6.75 shipping
total $1303.25
Does this look like a pretty good setup?
My biggest concern is the LS7 flywheel. According to the McLeod website, the RST must be used with a LS1 flat style flywheel. Will it work with an LS7 flywheel? http://www.mcleodracing.com/products/RST+Twin+Disc.mcl
"Needs LS1 Flat style flywheel with this application."
If the LS7 flywheel doesn't work with the McLeod RST, what is the part number for the LS1 C5 flywheel? Could I use a billet steel Spec flywheel for $233.10 if I need an LS1 style flywheel. Is that a better opion?
http://www.tickperformance.com/spec-...-ls6-flywheel/
McLeod RST
http://speed-eng.com/store/mcleod-se...o-p-10227.html
$689.99+free shipping
Tick Performance Remote Clutch SPEEDbleeder Line
http://www.tickperformance.com/tick-...to-ls1-f-body/
$49.99+$6.75 shipping
total $1303.25
Does this look like a pretty good setup?
My biggest concern is the LS7 flywheel. According to the McLeod website, the RST must be used with a LS1 flat style flywheel. Will it work with an LS7 flywheel? http://www.mcleodracing.com/products/RST+Twin+Disc.mcl
"Needs LS1 Flat style flywheel with this application."
If the LS7 flywheel doesn't work with the McLeod RST, what is the part number for the LS1 C5 flywheel? Could I use a billet steel Spec flywheel for $233.10 if I need an LS1 style flywheel. Is that a better opion?
http://www.tickperformance.com/spec-...-ls6-flywheel/
We can save you a ton of headaches and get you into a twin disc clutch that has a two year warranty. Call us, we'll beat those prices.
#17
Wow, when I first bought my Monster stage 5 it stated that it had the same level of hp and tq as the stage 6. The diffrence was one was 11 inches and the other was 12 inches I believe. Now I see the stage 6 has 900 rwtq and the stage 5 has 825? I could have sworn the rating were 850 on both. I think someone at monster said you could not slip the 11 inch clutch becuase it was a race clutch but the 12 inch was a strip/street so it was good for street driving. I never understood though why they were the same. Can somone at monster please tell me if your clutch ratings changed?
#18
Wow, when I first bought my Monster stage 5 it stated that it had the same level of hp and tq as the stage 6. The diffrence was one was 11 inches and the other was 12 inches I believe. Now I see the stage 6 has 900 rwtq and the stage 5 has 825? I could have sworn the rating were 850 on both. I think someone at monster said you could not slip the 11 inch clutch becuase it was a race clutch but the 12 inch was a strip/street so it was good for street driving. I never understood though why they were the same. Can somone at monster please tell me if your clutch ratings changed?
The 12" units (Level 1-6) have all stayed the same rating since 2008 when we started selling to the public. The only exception to that is the old .5 series clutches, but those were not the same either. We do have 11" ceramic and iron units that have a higher torque rating and the 11" ceramic can easily be slipped. Our iron clutches are not recommended for daily driving as they are incredibly aggressive and won't last long being slipped consistently.
Of course we also offer our twins that have a rating of 800-1500hp/tq and we have built a couple of triples that would hold that and easily another 300hp/tq.
#19
You're mistaken.
The 12" units (Level 1-6) have all stayed the same rating since 2008 when we started selling to the public. The only exception to that is the old .5 series clutches, but those were not the same either. We do have 11" ceramic and iron units that have a higher torque rating and the 11" ceramic can easily be slipped. Our iron clutches are not recommended for daily driving as they are incredibly aggressive and won't last long being slipped consistently.
Of course we also offer our twins that have a rating of 800-1500hp/tq and we have built a couple of triples that would hold that and easily another 300hp/tq.
The 12" units (Level 1-6) have all stayed the same rating since 2008 when we started selling to the public. The only exception to that is the old .5 series clutches, but those were not the same either. We do have 11" ceramic and iron units that have a higher torque rating and the 11" ceramic can easily be slipped. Our iron clutches are not recommended for daily driving as they are incredibly aggressive and won't last long being slipped consistently.
Of course we also offer our twins that have a rating of 800-1500hp/tq and we have built a couple of triples that would hold that and easily another 300hp/tq.