Project GatTagO

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None of these companies make anything that will handle the kind of power that the people on this forum would desire. The MTI kit uses the PPG gear set that will handle 1000HP. It's been used by the Viper guys running 7's.

For anyone that cares, the MTI kit is $25K. Keep in mind that this isn't just a transmission, but a sequential shifter, load cell, and electronics that cut throttle on up shifts and blip the throttle on down shifts. The electronics work with factory ECUs.

Andrew

RAMPANT

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It does not sound like this would ever work with the F Body, or my car specifically as I want a manual cable to my 8 throttle bodies.

I love the idea of one in my car though, as it would suit the triple duty I expect from it. Street/drag/Road course.

I would like to hear more about them though.

stevieturbo

Type of throttle makes no difference.

Plenty of vehicles run sequential trans with multiple throttles or a mechanical throttle

The Alchemist

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Doesn't the electronics cut timing to the motor for the shifts, hence the big pop you hear sometimes as the unburnt fuel for that split second gets ignited in the hot exhaust? So what type of throttle actuation shouldn't matter.

I can only imagine the carnage of a full wot, no lift shift in my car at 15psi of boost at redline would cause. Although, it's probably easier on the drivetrain since you're not unloading/loading the driveline as bad like you do with a typical clutch in/out shift.

stevieturbo

After speaking to guys who race cars with sequential boxes....they are actually a huge benefit.

You can shift at any time and shifts are smooth. Mid corner if things are getting too hairy, just shift up, it drops the power and settles the car again. And it all happens with no drama.

In many ways it goes against what you might think would happen. Although I'm sure if you had huge amounts of power it may not always be so nice.
But that's a local guy who races a rwd Escort Cossie with about 5-600hp. The box really improved his car, mostly used for short sprints and hillclimbs.

markbsae

No lift shift will cut spark to disengage the dogs and allow you to come out of the lower gear and select the next. With undercut dogs you aren't going to disengage them under power. Some will also blip the throttle on downshift while engine braking, also to allow the dog rings to disengage to select the next gear. If you have the blip function the throttle must be electronically controlled.

dailydriver

YES, this ^^^ is quite true, as those companies make gearboxes for series whose rules limit power to WAY under those levels, and for road racing and rallying ONLY, NEVER for drag racing (I've never even heard of people using sequentials for drag racing, only Lenco types).

These companies' gearboxes will (and HAVE TO BE ABLE TO) downshift as well as they upshift.

dailydriver

He pulled the front transaxle out??

Is he using a Quaife box?

stevieturbo

It's purely a race car and he didnt want 4wd. The box is made by Tractive in Sweden

http://www.tractive.se/home__10

It wouldnt handle the power of an LS I'm sure, but it's a superb piece.

David Gammon PPG

Hi Guys
Just a quick heads up … We are releasing the "Inline" T56/TR-6060 Magnum at the PRI show this December . This application will be ideal for almost any application . The gear system is based around the stock case work with a full motorsports sequential system installed inside . Its a drop in application so it can be used in just about anything… We are even supplying into the "Off Road" sector .

The sequential uses the state of the art Blade 360 position sensor along with a F1 grade load cell to enable full closed loop gearshifts .Already we have systems operating with gear shift time in the 30ms zone .

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151933768430071&set=vb.1091557291511 49&type=2&theater


Just a small video of the gear set in action on the dyno .

stevieturbo

When you say stock case, the 6060 and T56 are quite different.

So does it fit both cases, or one or the other ? And does the case require any major modifications ?

The Alchemist

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Pretty cool, but is it going to cost upwards of $5-15k

stevieturbo

True, but even at $15k, it wouldnt be an unreasonable price

Even an aftermarket gearset will run close to 4 figures, so a fully sequential kit will be a fair bit more.

David Gammon PPG

Hi Steve
Hows things ….. The set is designed to fit either gearbox . We use the T56 mainshaft in the TR-6060 Magnum.

The price guide is $16,500 AUD - This includes the billet shifter, load cell and Gill Blade 360 rotary sensor .

Project GatTagO

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David,

Can you post more details about this system? Presumably its been released by now.

Andrew

kyoytey1693

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I love the concept of a sequential gearbox option for our cars. However, I would never buy it from MTI racing. I thought these guys had went out of business. They were formerly sponsors on this site but were banned. I bought a package deal from them long ago that they couldn't and wouldn't support. I spent about a 1/3 of what this sequential cost. I would hate to spend this much money with them and end up with the same support/customer service I got last time.

Just to show I'm not exaggerating, here is the proof.

The Alchemist

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Two completely different companies.

dailydriver

YES, I completely forgot about this thread! -> me

(And that price point for a completely drop-in, T56 sequential is VERY reasonable!! )

Project GatTagO

iTrader: (7)

I was asking David Gammon from PPG...but if you have some more information to add, please do

Andrew

dailydriver

I understand, as I was merely adding MY request for more info to yours.