Faceplated T56 vs TR6060
07-02-2013, 06:27 PM
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Faceplated T56 vs TR6060 I am building a turbo streetcar(700whp now, 1200whp soon). I am looking to compete with a few heavy AUTO cars in my area (~800whp).
I really enjoy banging gears, though its been 5 years since I was able to try. I need a built trans that I won't be afraid to drive hard. (I can no longer shift like a girl to save my trans).
MY QUESTION IS:
What is a better option a built TR6060 or a faceplated T56? Cost seems to be relatively equal.
What are the opinions on this?
Also, I am 24, and not afraid to drive a tough/notchy/loud trans. I am just not sure if the faceplated T56 is worth the hassle with this new option.
I was going to call TICK on this, but I figured I might as well post on here.
Thanks.
I really enjoy banging gears, though its been 5 years since I was able to try. I need a built trans that I won't be afraid to drive hard. (I can no longer shift like a girl to save my trans).
MY QUESTION IS:
What is a better option a built TR6060 or a faceplated T56? Cost seems to be relatively equal.
What are the opinions on this?
Also, I am 24, and not afraid to drive a tough/notchy/loud trans. I am just not sure if the faceplated T56 is worth the hassle with this new option.
I was going to call TICK on this, but I figured I might as well post on here.
Thanks.
07-02-2013, 07:29 PM
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Its kind of hard to really compare the two but if your looking for strength and streetability, the TR6060 gets my vote but if your looking fast shifts without killing syncros, the faceplated T56 wins. A T56 that is faceplated isn't necessarily stronger but will shift much faster and is much more forgiving under race conditions. That said, a faceplated T56 is not very street friendly. In your case, I'd go with the built TR6060 since its a street car.
07-03-2013, 08:06 AM
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The 6060 is going to handle more torque than a t56 due to the larger gears/bearings, so if you're always going to have it turned up on kill that's something to consider. But the synchros in the 6060 are more prone to being damaged and squared off if you miss a shift. A faceplated t56 with viper main shaft will handle lots of abuse if you put an oil pump on to spray the input/cluster. If you break it, it will likely be from flat out overpowering the gear set and shear the teeth off the input.
Don't let anyone that doesn't own a faceplated trans scare you off from doing it....I just did mine in June and love it! I started a thread with a vid of me street driving it for the first time. It's not near as "not street friendly" as I was lead to believe.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/manual-tr...ated-love.html
Don't let anyone that doesn't own a faceplated trans scare you off from doing it....I just did mine in June and love it! I started a thread with a vid of me street driving it for the first time. It's not near as "not street friendly" as I was lead to believe.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/manual-tr...ated-love.html
07-03-2013, 10:09 AM
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I was hoping you would post in here jmm. I definitely saw that video, made me feel a lot better about going faceplated.
I guess, that was my fear, was that the T56 just can not handle the power I'd put through it, and it wouldn't matter whether it made it into the next gear.
I wish faceplating a 6060 wasn't so damn expensive. It would be worth another $800 but not another $3500, damn. I can't have $10k in a transmission right now.
I guess Ill go with the 6060 and in a couple years if Im having issues, I can have it faceplated.
Thanks for the replies.
I guess, that was my fear, was that the T56 just can not handle the power I'd put through it, and it wouldn't matter whether it made it into the next gear.
I wish faceplating a 6060 wasn't so damn expensive. It would be worth another $800 but not another $3500, damn. I can't have $10k in a transmission right now.
I guess Ill go with the 6060 and in a couple years if Im having issues, I can have it faceplated.
Thanks for the replies.
07-03-2013, 11:53 AM
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The 6060 is probably a good move if you're truly planning on hitting it with 1200whp. My stock mainshaft t56 has lived for 4 seasons with 700rwhp at 3850lb raceweight. I'm dumping the n2o this winter and going twin pt6262s and hoping I can keep the t56 alive at 950-1000whp. Would do a 6060 if it was in the budget but it's absolutely not!!
Been following your build, anxious to see how it turns out!
Been following your build, anxious to see how it turns out!
07-03-2013, 12:07 PM
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I was hoping you would post in here jmm. I definitely saw that video, made me feel a lot better about going faceplated.
I guess, that was my fear, was that the T56 just can not handle the power I'd put through it, and it wouldn't matter whether it made it into the next gear.
I wish faceplating a 6060 wasn't so damn expensive. It would be worth another $800 but not another $3500, damn. I can't have $10k in a transmission right now.
I guess Ill go with the 6060 and in a couple years if Im having issues, I can have it faceplated.
Thanks for the replies.
I guess, that was my fear, was that the T56 just can not handle the power I'd put through it, and it wouldn't matter whether it made it into the next gear.
I wish faceplating a 6060 wasn't so damn expensive. It would be worth another $800 but not another $3500, damn. I can't have $10k in a transmission right now.
I guess Ill go with the 6060 and in a couple years if Im having issues, I can have it faceplated.
Thanks for the replies.
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The 6060 is probably a good move if you're truly planning on hitting it with 1200whp. My stock mainshaft t56 has lived for 4 seasons with 700rwhp at 3850lb raceweight. I'm dumping the n2o this winter and going twin pt6262s and hoping I can keep the t56 alive at 950-1000whp. Would do a 6060 if it was in the budget but it's absolutely not!! Been following your build, anxious to see how it turns out!
Been following your build, anxious to see how it turns out!
07-04-2013, 10:51 AM
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The space they have between the gears is less so they had to make the conversion parts out of pretty expensive metals and I'm told the machine work is more labor intensive too. I think I was quoted $1500 to do just 3rd and 4th over a year ago. I may do this when, yes WHEN, I destroy 3rd or 4th syncro teeth. I think (hope) 2nd has a better chance of holding up due to the design of the synchro's and blockers on it.
I put 18,000 street miles on a face plated t-56 and my only complaint or wish is if they could leave first gear fully synchronized. I sometimes shifted to 5th at a stop to stop the rotation in the trans so I could engage 1st without a clunk. sometimes I'd shift into 1st just before stopping to avoid the clunk. Anyway, I think a possible compromise for the street on a t-6060/56magnum would be to do just 3rd/4th.
I put 18,000 street miles on a face plated t-56 and my only complaint or wish is if they could leave first gear fully synchronized. I sometimes shifted to 5th at a stop to stop the rotation in the trans so I could engage 1st without a clunk. sometimes I'd shift into 1st just before stopping to avoid the clunk. Anyway, I think a possible compromise for the street on a t-6060/56magnum would be to do just 3rd/4th.
07-14-2013, 08:54 AM
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T56 magnum I just broke my t56 magnum/6060 with street tires just shifting hard through the gears ( broke hitting 5th) . So I would say that is not the way to go if your looking for something that holds up.
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5th gear is an overdrive gear not ment to take big power or hard shifts on either trans. i broke 5th on a t56 trying to shift it hard as well
but i love my faceplated t56 in the car now. im making about 850ish whp and its holding up well. make sure to put a pump on it though
but i love my faceplated t56 in the car now. im making about 850ish whp and its holding up well. make sure to put a pump on it though
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07-16-2013, 04:33 PM
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5th should be able to handle decent power though. Ive never had any issues with mine, although in general Ive had very little trouble at all with transmission
07-21-2013, 10:44 AM
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I have a faceplated t56 in my HCI camaro. Upshifts are sikk. Basically no lift shift as fast as you can and it goes in. I have missed a couple times just from not throwing the shifter far enough, but it doesnt harm the faceplating. Synchros can be completely destroyed with 1 missed shift. BUT it is a street car, and it does suck downshifting. Especially if you're rolling down the hwy cruising at like 70 and some ricer starts messing with you, dropping a gear and dishing out some pwnage is next to impossible. U have to slow way down to down shift then go once ur RPM's are up. All in all I like the peace of mind that comes with faceplating, but i have thought of trading for a sychrod trans since 90 percent of my driving is on the street.