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Old 08-30-2021, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
Aren't all of those metallic disk clutches? I thought that the metallic disks kill the drivability?
going from 700ftlbs to 1000ftlbs changes you from organic to metallic. Is the triple still organic? It must cost the price of a new transmission. I've driven metallic disc clutches before and they aren't bad depending on which one. The Spec 5 sucked, but it was a single disc sintered iron something or other and was miserable. Brian Nutter has the metallic twin disc in his car. He chimes in from time to time as @Summitracing . I know he's said he's fine driving it in his vette.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
going from 700ftlbs to 1000ftlbs changes you from organic to metallic. Is the triple still organic? It must cost the price of a new transmission. I've driven metallic disc clutches before and they aren't bad depending on which one. The Spec 5 sucked, but it was a single disc sintered iron something or other and was miserable. Brian Nutter has the metallic twin disc in his car. He chimes in from time to time as @Summitracing . I know he's said he's fine driving it in his vette.
I am wanting an organic disk clutch. If the triple disk clutch with organic disks is under $2K, it might be worth it.
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
I am wanting an organic disk clutch. If the triple disk clutch with organic disks is under $2K, it might be worth it.
Could be depending on your intended use and such. Clutch dumps on tires may want a metallic disc.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Could be depending on your intended use and such. Clutch dumps on tires may want a metallic disc.
Daily driver, drag strip maybe 3 or 6 passes per year. I still don't like the idea of sending a clutch out to be rebuilt. Have to have the car sitting for a month waiting on the clutch to get back, and there is a risk of the clutch rebuild not being correct.
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
Daily driver, drag strip maybe 3 or 6 passes per year. I still don't like the idea of sending a clutch out to be rebuilt. Have to have the car sitting for a month waiting on the clutch to get back, and there is a risk of the clutch rebuild not being correct.
I guess my thought process is different than some....I'd get the cheap one now to try it and if it works I saved a bunch of cash and if not than having to spend the $ on the major one isn't a big deal lol.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
I guess my thought process is different than some....I'd get the cheap one now to try it and if it works I saved a bunch of cash and if not than having to spend the $ on the major one isn't a big deal lol.
I am probably getting the Summit 700 one for this build. If/When the supercharger happens, I'll look at a clutch, since I will need a new transmission too.
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
I am probably getting the Summit 700 one for this build. If/When the supercharger happens, I'll look at a clutch, since I will need a new transmission too.
I thought you already had a G Force? You shouldn't need a new trans. If I remember right, Brian said you could always just swap the clutch disc later to the metallic if you needed more holding power.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
I thought you already had a G Force? You shouldn't need a new trans. If I remember right, Brian said you could always just swap the clutch disc later to the metallic if you needed more holding power.
Nope. TDP Stage 3 T56. Rated at 650 RWTQ. I will eclipse that if I add a supercharger to this engine.
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
Nope. TDP Stage 3 T56. Rated at 650 RWTQ. I will eclipse that if I add a supercharger to this engine.
Take those numbers with a grain of salt. A stock T56 will handle that. Not forever on clutch dumps and power shifts but they'll handle way more than some of these ratings. I'm north of 600ftlbs on a 140k mile stock T56 lol.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Take those numbers with a grain of salt. A stock T56 will handle that. Not forever on clutch dumps and power shifts but they'll handle way more than some of these ratings. I'm north of 600ftlbs on a 140k mile stock T56 lol.
I want forever on clutch dumps. I want to not have to worry about breaking it, regardless of what I do. Same reason I have a Dana 60 rearend.
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That is a ways away. Maybe my mid-life crisis will be the supercharger/trans/14 disk clutch.
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Hey there, our associate Brian Nutter put the metallic disk 1000 Ft./Lb. SUM-700903 in his C5Z. Not because the car needed the torque holding capability, but we wanted to have a firm grasp on how the clutch behaved. Pressure plate pressure on the Summit Pro Twin's is 5% stiffer than the RXT he pulled out of the car. Summit's Tq. ratings are at the wheels rather than the crank (as McLeod states), so that makes sense. The Clutch/Flywheel is 50.5 lbs. but the MOI (Moment of inertia) is far more centered for quick reving. A lot of talks with the engineer that did the cad model went into the decision to what was needed. We have had hot-shoes drive the car to a series of mid-10 passes (autocross/trackday car with a LS7 based engine) on village-bicycle 17" hoosiers and the driver proclaimed it to be one of his favorites in terms of how slippable and linear it was. This was the behavior we were looking for when we created it. A triple sounds fun and has the torque holding, but they are not happy being slipped for very long...as in going up a trailer or something like that. The Summit Pro Twin (even the metalic) is happy to be slipped inching along through a 60 second car wash example with zero sign of getting grabby or smelling or anyting like that. It's by far the best value on the market with it's Made in USA-ness and we think you will be happy with the organic even more than the metallic.
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Old 08-31-2021, 12:56 PM
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OH... 700 RWTQ makes this a whole different animal than 700 BTQ (flywheel). Even if/when I add a supercharger, I don't think I will hit 700 RWTQ.



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