02 wife

Cant wait for spring! Thanks Bill'sWS6 I just got some G Force KDWs on so I'm hoping for high 12's.

jimbonzzz

Just checking in. Long time lurker, didn't start posting till recently...
Live in Brighton, work in Milford...

Bill'sWS6

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Going from a stock converter to a 2800 may help for about .02 off the line. The tires may be good for another .01. I guess it all comes down to weather and track prep. I'd be willing to say 12.90 are possible.

Where did you get your 13.4 run? If you ran a 13.4 at Milan your car probably would run a 13.1 - 13.2 at a track like Norwalk or Mid Michigan Motorplex. So, in that case you would run 12.7-12.8 with your new stall converter and tires at a good track.

Well, I guess only time will tell from here. The big question is what will my new car run, LOL. I am so hyped up to get it out and test it out. The car made 400rwhp and 400rwtq. The car has neevr been to a track so I can't wait.

Hope to have it to the track within a month.

Take Care,

Bill

Velocity

Bill, why is Milan slower in your experience?

I've done Lapeer, Stanton, and Martin...

I ran a 13.3 @ 109 bone stock at Lapeer

13.6 @ 105 at Martin (major problems - tuning and bent pushrods)

and 13.1 @ 109 at Stanton (pushrods fixed, dyno-tuned at 345 rwhp, 360 rwtq... 50 degree day, but about a 25-30 mph headwind)

02 wife

Hey Bill'sWS6 I ran that 13.43 in April '04 at Milan. I ran a 13.45 at Milan in Oct '04. I bet your new car will fly! Cant wait for springtime!

Ru2n00n3er

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-Made own thread.

When is everyone planning on starting to head to Milan?

ActionJack

Bill could her 2.73 gear be part of the culprit for 13.4?

I am no where near as experienced as most of you guys but I was able to pull a 13.2 out of my butt at Milan with street tires and a lid and my driver side cat was clogged and throwing a code.

BTW, I can't wait until after the dyno/tune to get to the track and see what I can do.

Also, '02 wife' I had the BFG KDW before the Pirellis and those tires were great in warm temps because they got nice and tacky. Not a DR but you do not need to worry about do damage to the Hulk of a rear axle we have stock.

He he

jdustu

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milans the only track i've ever ran at.....and i've only been there really twice....but i ran 13.2s at 107 in a car there that the previous owner ran a 13.5 at 110(!) with at stanton......then i added the macs w/cutouts and a rear sway and ran 12.5-12.7 at 112 all day...both times i went it was hot and humid......i guess that the second time i went the guys i were with were saying they were running 2 tenths slower than normal....a lot of people say stanton is worth 2 tenth and about 2mph over milan....but i see somebody already posted that...nevermind.....

02 wife

Thanks ActionJack I guess I'll see how it runs.

Bill'sWS6

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From my experience..... I see track prep as the number one issue with running slower at milan. When you go to a track like Stanton or Norwalk they are always working to keep the start line free of loose rubber and excess water from previos burnouts. Lots of times you have people pulling through the water box then doing a weak burnout. As that person sits at the start line. All the water they didn't burn off starts to fall from up above the tires where it was sprayed durning burn out. Or, they have the tires still very wet from lack of burn out. They do their run, you are the next one up on the line. The water they didn't burn off is now sitting on the start line. No matter how good your burn our is you will end up with some moisture on your tires. This then ends up killing your 60' times and in turn hurts your 1/4 times. So, that is why I say track prep is the difference. At Stanton and Norwalk you find people taking care of that water on the start line.

Just my .02 from my experience. I would run .02-.04 faster at Stanton than at Milan.

Good Luck to everyone.

Bill

Bill'sWS6

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The 2:73 gears are some what of an issue but nothing major. The gears have a good and a bad side both. The good thing is you tend to get a better launch (Less wheel spin). But you do give up a .01-.02 when it comes to hooking well. So, both being equal as far as off the line hooking the 3:23 gears will get you a better 60' time. The nice thing is she will end up with better gas milage than the 3:23s. To make up for the gears the best thing to do is go to a bigger stall converter. A nice 3600-3800 stall would work great with those 2:73 gears. I ran a 3800 stall on my last car and it was great. There were no issues with daily driving at all.

I also ran Nitto Drags (315/35/17) on my last car with no rear end issues. They are better than street tires and should not give enough hook to break the rear. I ran 12.0 with 3:23 and a 3800 stall and did that for over a year with no problems.

Good luck, Let me know what you run with the new tune.

Bill

Bill'sWS6

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So, if you ran those times at Milan last year you should be a solid high 12 car at a track like Stanton or Norwalk. You may want to look into a product called VHT. I thought I heard you can actually get it in a spray for your tires now. It is the stuff that the good tracks use at the start line and to about the 60'-100' mark of the track. It helps give you better traction off the line. If you can find this try it and see how it works for you. I have not looked for it in a spray. I'll let you know what I find.

Also, what tire pressure are you running the rear tires at? You should try taking them down to around 20-25 and see how much better they help you hook up.

Take Care,

Bill

Hotrodhawk

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North oakland county checking in

Look for me on the prowel more this year around Woodward/13 mile area. Tires will hit the pavement this weekend if that four letter word will stay away

Velocity

I live in C-Town also... I've already had the car back on the roads... it's back on full insurance, but I'm not driving it every day yet.

Hotrodhawk

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Howdie neighbor
I'll be a fair weather driver with the hawk mostly. My drive from Clarkston to Plymouth where I work [Ramchargers HQ] is too crazy with bullshizt drivers on 275/696 and the people look at me like I'm nutz's with that thing on the same rode as them. Little do they know that you can have a 10 second car and get 20+ MPG hwy also ...hahahahaha

02 wife

Hey Bill'sWs6 my tire pressure was about 30 pounds when I ran ,and it was after the track first opened..

ActionJack

If I saw a Firehawk (or any Firebird for that matter) with your hood and setup I might look at it in schock.



LOL


It does look like a monster though.

ActionJack

I will post it after I get it back next week.


Some good info BTW, I think I will try Stanton.

Bill'sWS6

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I look forward to seeing your new numbers.

I am taking my car in next week to slap it on the dyno. Where are you having your tune done? Have they done any work for you before?

Good luck.... If you decide to head to Milan, let me know. I could meet you there sometime. I prefer in the 50's if at all possible. But what the hell I am just wanting to see how the new car runs.

I just found out from the previous owner that the car put down 400Rwhp/400rwtq and that was with a 2800 stall and running thru cats still on the car. So, I hope with the new setup 3800 stall and no cats to get a 410rwhp & 425rwtq. I will run it next week with the current setup and in two weeks with the new setup.

Take Care,

Bill

Bill'sWS6

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Wow, 30 pounds... there is another .01-.02 seconds you can possibly pick up by dropping your tire pressure down to between 20-25lbs. Start at 25 and take out about 1lb per run until you see the best results. My guess is with the new tires you have about 21-22lbs should work well. Also take your front tires to about 3lbs OVER the rating on the tire. this will cut down on rolling friction and give you some better times. The combo of rear and front tire pressure can make a big difference. It is not just the .01-.02 seconds you get off your 60' time. It can = more than that at the end of the 1/4 depending on your car.

Good Luck.

Bill