VTC_WS6

iTrader: (9)

Went to a loca hangout up in Ft. Myers yesterday and ran a local fella with a very nicely done Integra GS-R making a healthy 300++ whp (based on track times we're estimating 340-360whp), the results..

http://liquidnyquiz.com/dave/VTC_WS6...0T3G%201HD.wmv

http://liquidnyquiz.com/dave/VTC_WS6...0T3G%202HD.wmv

A decent set of tires and it would've been much close but either way it's a very quick little Honda, thank god for torque

25psi

Torque had very little to do with the outcome of this race. His lack of traction and bouncing off the rev limiter gave you the advantage.

VTC_WS6

iTrader: (9)

Torque had everything to do with it. His lack of traction had little to do with what happend on the roll, the dig of course was different, but the roll was torque vs. high end power.

71camaro

iTrader: (8)

OMG not this guy with the Torque argument AGAIN. Dude, leave it alone, your beating a dead horse. You were owned in plenty of threads.

25psi

I never was owned in any thread regarding torque.

25psi

Traction had everything to do with it from a roll and a dead stop. You can clearly hear the tires barely hanging on for traction in both instances.

Torque is minimal when going from a roll, considering you can manipulate your torque curve by selecting what gear you would like to be in. Usually when going from a roll, you are out of peak torque anyways and this is where hp comes into play. If you've ever seen a dyno graph, then you would understand as torque begins to drop, your hp continues to rise and this is whats accelerating your car.

VTC_WS6

iTrader: (9)

Actually.. no, horsepower never accelerates your car, torque does. Horsepower is nothing more than a mathematical interpolation of the effective use of torque at any given rpm, horsepower in and of itself does nothing other than occupy a line on a dyno graph and give dyno racers something to gloat over.

Torque is the force causing your crank to spin and thereby causing your tires to spin as this Honda clearly demonstrated... period.

P.S. Torque won the race.

25psi

Look at a dyno chart. Explain to me how your car can continue to accelerate as torque begins to fall?

Torque only measures where hp will end up. Horsepower is a measurement of work and torque is defined as being a rotational force. I would rather have torque in higher rpm's with a linear curve than peak hp down low. What if you had an engine that made 10,000ft/lbs of torque easily. But it ran at 1rpm. (10000ft/lbs * 1rpm) / 5252 = 1.904 hp. I would love to see you try and a tractor through the quarter mile.

(3 ft/lb of torque @ 2 RPM) / 5252 = .0011424 HP

(1 ft/lb of torque @ 8 RPM) /5252 = .0015232 hp

L98
Lt1
LS1

all share the same displacement. The reason why the LS1 is significantly faster is due to a higher redline to take advantage of hp and gearing.

71camaro

iTrader: (8)

Ummm, yeah Ive remember a few threads. But anyways, thanks for ruining a great thread, This guy was excited about his victory and now its all about how worthless torque is, according to you. Do you realize you're the only one on this entire site who agrees with what you are saying? Wow, us American muscle guys sure are ignorant..... Dont you drive a ricer anyways?

25psi

Plenty of people agree with me on my assertions(BigBronco, Fadi, etc....) and these are people who deal with high hp/torque cars all day long.


I applaud him on his victory. Sorry for taking this off topic

ScreaminRedZ

iTrader: (3)

Good kill, and cool vids. This is why I decided not to moddify front wheel drive cars.

KFC_Or_Bust

iTrader: (5)

Not gonna get into the mathematical **** but the LS1 is 346 cubes, everyone knows that.

Anyways, good races, quick cars...**** torque.

No, scratch that. Torque rules, but do whatever it takes to win races, right?

25psi

Be they put out about the same amount of torque.

I never implied that torque is not important.

BA98TA

iTrader: (24)

So if thats the case, then why did you put your horsepower numbers up in the vid and not your torque?

VTC_WS6

iTrader: (9)

Because the status quo only care about hp numbers.

LT1-Camo

well in that case let this thread be a first lol

1bdbrd

iTrader: (12)

So by your own admission, wouldn't it be the over abundance of torque causing the Integra to spin be the cause for the loss? You said above, thank god for torque. When really, by this post, it should be thank god for a lack of torque.

VTC_WS6

iTrader: (9)

lol it's amazing the kind of tanget this post has shot off too..

But actually no, had the Integra not made that kind of torque he might not have spun as much so like I said, thank god for torque In his case it really didn't matter, I'd pull him either way albeit not as bad.

71camaro

iTrader: (8)

LOL I know man, anyways, nice runs bro!

Kingc8r

iTrader: (21)

Great, 25psi is on this forum as well.......