02 SS vs. 04 Mach 1
04-25-2007, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by t/a for life
Everyone says that a stock mach is a good race, but last night. I ran one at the track and I ran 13.5 he ran like a 14.1. You think driver mod on his part or what?
04-26-2007, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 01FormulaTA
now thats also more what im used to seeing, I dont know where these 12 sec stock mach's are.....I have read about them but never seen or heard of one local
04-26-2007, 01:27 PM
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thats funny b/c I beat my friend with a Mach 1 all the time...yea he jumps on me from the getgo, but after that I pull on him and eventually put 1-2 cars on him. All mine has is exhaust, lid, and tune AND its an A4. His is a M5, tuned, exhaust, and has a K&N.
04-26-2007, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 67maro
Theres low 11 second machs who post on here. Come to Michigan and Ill show you a 12 second mach. Ive seen a pewter C5 vette run a mid 14. So I guess with what your saying thats the fastest they get since thats the only one Ive ever seen run?
no man, thats not what Im saying.....thats you putting words in my mouth but w/e.....and if you read the post I said 12 sec STOCK.....and I never said they couldnt run 11's, im sure there are many running quicker than that, but my whole point is Mod for Mod, with equal drivers an LS1 should win, in the vid they both had gears, and tune, plus exhaust but the Mach didnt have headers, so the LS1 had more mods yet he got walked pretty badly.....just didnt look right to me, but dont get so bent out of shape....I like mustangs, I've had 4, Mach 1's are bad *** cars and Im not trying to say anything bad about them, I just think the video isnt telling the whole story
04-27-2007, 08:28 AM
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There was a stock mach 1 down at my 1/8 mile track running 8.3's...that converts to probably...low 13's possibly high 12's. It's all in their launch.
04-27-2007, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by kyle91z28
There was a stock mach 1 down at my 1/8 mile track running 8.3's...that converts to probably...low 13's possibly high 12's. It's all in their launch.
04-28-2007, 03:42 PM
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god where are all these hotshot mach 1 guys around me. I have never been beat by a mach 1, EVER. Ive ran them with me stock, bolt on, cam, heads/cam, nitrous,. etc. never have i been beaten. i just dont understand how all these mach 1's in other parts of the country are even staying close to ls1 cars.
"some run 12's stock blah blah, its a drivers race blah blag"
well they sure as **** dont run that around here.
"some run 12's stock blah blah, its a drivers race blah blag"
well they sure as **** dont run that around here.
04-28-2007, 06:01 PM
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man that video is old.
a stock m6 ls1 fbody will beat a stock mach by a descent margin. i dont believe machs can run 12s stock. no way,sorry. they have a gearing advantage over fbodies but it doesnt make up for them having considerably less power.
a stock m6 ls1 fbody will beat a stock mach by a descent margin. i dont believe machs can run 12s stock. no way,sorry. they have a gearing advantage over fbodies but it doesnt make up for them having considerably less power.
04-28-2007, 09:04 PM
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The fastest stock Mach I've ever seen run ran a 13.2X. I would call it a factory freak as the next fastest one I saw ran 13.50-13.60's. 4.10's really wake those cars up. They have the real advantage from a slow 1st gear roll or dig with that awesome 1st gear.
04-29-2007, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by VENGEANCE
god where are all these hotshot mach 1 guys around me. I have never been beat by a mach 1, EVER. Ive ran them with me stock, bolt on, cam, heads/cam, nitrous,. etc. never have i been beaten. i just dont understand how all these mach 1's in other parts of the country are even staying close to ls1 cars.
"some run 12's stock blah blah, its a drivers race blah blag"
well they sure as **** dont run that around here.
"some run 12's stock blah blah, its a drivers race blah blag"
well they sure as **** dont run that around here.
haha AMEN
04-29-2007, 08:00 AM
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I listened to a guy with a built 5.0 talkin smack just about every day at work about beating LS1 guys on the street. It was after I had sold mine. Then I bought another one with a lid. His stories stopped. I will say I absolutely loved my friends white Mach1. It ran 13.20's stock and drove fantastic. I just wouldn't have the high dollar 32v engine. I like something that's easy enough for me to do work on.
04-29-2007, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Redlinez
I like something that's easy enough for me to do work on.
shade-tree mechanics such as myself. You know a car is easy to work
on when I can swap out heads and a cam.
I wouldn't even thinkof touching my Cobra motor...pretty much have to yank the motor to
work on it. No thanks.
04-29-2007, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by unit213
I agree with you on that point. The LS1 is extremely user friendly for
shade-tree mechanics such as myself. You know a car is easy to work
on when I can swap out heads and a cam. I wouldn't even think
of touching my Cobra motor...pretty much have to yank the motor to
work on it. No thanks.
shade-tree mechanics such as myself. You know a car is easy to work
on when I can swap out heads and a cam.
I wouldn't even thinkof touching my Cobra motor...pretty much have to yank the motor to
work on it. No thanks.
04-29-2007, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 01FormulaTA
I have raced more than a couple and stock for stock the LS1 will have a pretty big advantage, an M6 02 LS1 vs an M5 02 Mach 1 the LS1 should win by at least 3-4 cars with equal drivers
Machs run low to mid 13's (& sometimes high 12's) completely stock, just like '01/'02 LS1's...
Originally Posted by VENGEANCE
god where are all these hotshot mach 1 guys around me. I have never been beat by a mach 1, EVER. Ive ran them with me stock, bolt on, cam, heads/cam, nitrous,. etc. never have i been beaten. i just dont understand how all these mach 1's in other parts of the country are even staying close to ls1 cars.
"some run 12's stock blah blah, its a drivers race blah blag"
well they sure as **** dont run that around here.
"some run 12's stock blah blah, its a drivers race blah blag"
well they sure as **** dont run that around here.
Last edited by Angus66; 04-29-2007 at 09:11 PM.
04-29-2007, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Angus66
How do you figure?
Machs run low to mid 13's (& sometimes high 12's) completely stock, just like '01/'02 LS1's...
Machs run low to mid 13's (& sometimes high 12's) completely stock, just like '01/'02 LS1's...
BIG difference. I haven't seen a stock mach 1 run low 13s or high 12s. I'm not saying it can't happen or it hasn't happened, but in my neck of the woods... I don't see them running those times.
04-29-2007, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bene
Mach 1 DOHC 4.6 has 305-310 hp while LS1 fbody has 345-350 hp. BIG difference. I haven't seen a stock mach 1 run low 13s or high 12s. I'm not saying it can't happen or it hasn't happened, but in my neck of the woods... I don't see them running those times.
BIG difference. I haven't seen a stock mach 1 run low 13s or high 12s. I'm not saying it can't happen or it hasn't happened, but in my neck of the woods... I don't see them running those times.
Many Mach's have made 285+ rwhp (some have hit 290 - 295) on the dyno completely stock, which equals roughly 335 - 345 crank hp (assuming 15% driveline loss).
Pretty damn close to the LS1's hp, don't you think?
Torque was even more under-rated at 320 ft-lbs - many Mach's have dynoed 305 - 315 rwtq which equals ~ 358 - 370 crank torque.
Add in more aggressive trans & rear gearing and it all adds-up.
