Bought the front set of Weld ProStars from him. Here's the post:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/non-lsx-p...-prostars.html

He edited the post after we talked in PM's. When I saw the post he had that the fronts were 15x3.5 so I PM'ed him to make sure they were 15x3.5 with 1.75 backspacing. He replied with "Yep they are those exact wheel!" and sent me his PayPal address. All is fine until I get them in. I see a sticker on the inside of the wheel that says it's a 15x4 with 2.25 backspacing along with a part number. I PM him back and he says 15x3.5 and 15x4 are the same and how it will still work. I told him it wouldn't work because I had decided to put them on my GTO and I don't like the clearance there, but that's not the point. The point is he sent me the wrong wheel and was not the size he agreed they were that I wanted. I requested a refund and he replied with:

"Sorry man, but in the PM you asked if they would fit a Trans Am. And they fit on both a Camaro and a Firebird. I will not accept the refund. You should have been clearer. I did not know they were going on a GTO."

I PMed him back and clearly told him that after I still asked if he had them for sale and if they were 15x3.5 with a 1.75 backspacing I wanted them. Nowhere in any PMs do I say anything about wanting any other size nor backspacing. Since he's refusing a refund even though it's HIS fault for not selling the CORRECT wheel, I've now filed a dispute with PayPal.

 

Due to the fact that he did ship something to you, you probably won't have any luck with paypal. They only care when the seller doesn't ship anything.

 

Yeah PayPal is worthless but it was worth a shot since he's being a child about a refund. He finally responded back when I gave him a negative trader feedback. Here's the conversations so far:

Me:
Specified wheels were 15x3.5 1.75bs and sent 15x4 2.25bs and refuses to refund money for sending wrong wheels.

Him:
You asked for a wheel that fit a Trans Am. I told you I had them mounted on my Firebird with a Spacer and they fit on a 01 Camaro with a spacer. Then you tell me they are going on a GTO instead of a F body. GTO's don't even have the same bolt pattern.

Me:
PM on 1/25/09 9:40pm.

Re: Weld Prostars

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Do you still have the fronts?

Sure do man. Interested?

Sure am if they are the Prostars 15x3.5, 1.75bs and will fit on a Trans Am. Do you do PayPal? If so, send me your information and the final price.

Yep, they are those exact wheel! LOL paypal is jjgarcia84@***.net . The final price is 325, that includes shipping. I'll get them boxed up and ready by tomorrow hopefully and have them out no later than Tuesday if I get the money tonight.

Thanks man

Justin

I asked for a SIZE. SIZE. SIZE. If you had sent me the right wheel to begin with, not the WRONG SIZE we wouldn't have this issue. I don't give a crap what car it would be going on, A WRONG SIZE IS A WRONG SIZE. And yes GTO's DO have the same bolt pattern, that's the reason I wanted to make sure it'd fit a Trans Am because...... they have the same bolt pattern!!!

Him:
I bought them from a guy who said they were a 15x3.5 with a 1.75" BS. They fit on my car with a spacer just like any other 15x3.5 with a 1.75"BS would. You asked for a TA wheel and I told you they were to my knowledge. Now you are saying they were for a GTO when a GTO has a 5x120mm bolt pattern not a 5x4.75.

Me:
The issue isn't with the bolt pattern, it's with the backspacing. The backspacing is a 2.25, not a 1.75. You should know this, I'm really sure you saw the sticker on them when the tires were taken off that said they were a 2.25. I own a GTO and a Trans Am, my rear ProStars fit BOTH VEHICLES, because they have the same bolt pattern. Don't worry, I will be taking pictures tomorrow of the wrong wheels you sent along with the sticker that's on the inside of them stating what size they are.

Me:
To refresh your memory...

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And again, 15x4 2.25 does not equal 15x3.5 1.75.

*For some reason that link wouldn't work but here it is:

 

5x4 3/4 and 5x120 are ..uh..the same...so he's got a funny argument going there..

 

GTO and F-body bolt patterns are different by .65


But still, if he said they were one size, and sent another, it's his fault. It doesn't matter if you changed your mind and wanted to put them on a lawnmower. If they won't fit your lawnmower, that is your problem. But he got the sizes wrong.

Refund!

 

This is what I'm trying to get through to him.

 

i think refund is in order.
you kinda worded your question (you asked for t/a)
but i see youf point of the 3.5 and 4

 

Yeah I agree, you didn't just say will they fit a Trans Am, you said are they 3.5 with 1.75bs. I believe you that you only said Trans Am to make sure they would fit the GTO. If I wasn't 100% sure of my spacing (5 3/4) I would have said the same thing if I knew that my rims fit both Trans AM and GTO...

Refund the money..

 

I worded it for the size, which is why I put the size first and put TA as an afterthought. If I hadn't of asked about the size and he sent these I wouldn't be asking for a refund because I wouldn't have clarified the size. But since I did, I see it as a size issue, not what vehicle they would be going on.

 

agreed

 

Clear a few things up, GTO's and F bodies DO NOT HAVE THE SAME BOLT pattern and lots of people frown on running 5x120mm offset wheels on a 5x4.75in bolt pattern.

And no, I did not look at the stickers on the inside of the wheels because I did not dismount the tires, and as soon as they were dismounted I stuck them in the box and shipped them to you so I could get them out to you as fast as you can.

I bought them from a guy who was hurting for money, all I wanted was the front runners that were on there and I was going to get rid of the wheels and rear tires. He told me the fronts were 15x3.5 with a 1.75" BS and the rears were a 15x10 with a 5.5" BS. You bought the fronts fast and I tried to get them out to you as fast as I could. I'm sorry I did not have time to check anything and took my "friends" word on the size. The rears were exactly as he described so I figured the fronts were too.

It was my fault and I should have checked things myself before posting what "I thought" they were. I will refund you your money, minus the Paypal fee.

I am not the type to rip someone off so I am sorry that it took so long for me to get over my hard headedness and refund you your money.

 

As one person said previously the only thing different in GTO/Fbody bolt pattern size is .65mm. To get technical GTO is 5x120, Fbody is 5x120.65. The .65 is maybe like a business card thickness. Those lots of people that frown on the GTO's using the Fbody size better not ever get on a GTO forum because 95% of the GTO owners are using Fbody specs for the fronts.

As I've told you in a PM you sent, you can REFUND the money through PayPal and it won't take any fees out. I've already had to pay for fees once and why should I have to pay for them again when this clearly isn't my fault.

 

yes, if you do a REFUND thru paypal. the buyer will get the 3% back also.

and the person issuing the refund will not be charged a penny

 

Keeping everyone updated.... still no refund.

 

PM I received this morning from him:

I am not going to refund the money until I have the wheels in my possession. Sorry but you have less than 100 posts. I have the money ready to be sent but will not do it until I have the wheels back.

Sorry about the whole paypal fee thing I forgot that Paypal does refund the whole fee and all. But, like I said, it is ready to go as soon as I receive the wheels. You let me know what day they are supposed to be here and I will refund the money that day. No excuses.

Thanks

Justin

My PM back to him:
Re: Refund

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Originally Posted by DopdBrd
I am not going to refund the money until I have the wheels in my possession. Sorry but you have less than 100 posts. I have the money ready to be sent but will not do it until I have the wheels back.

Sorry about the whole paypal fee thing I forgot that Paypal does refund the whole fee and all. But, like I said, it is ready to go as soon as I receive the wheels. You let me know what day they are supposed to be here and I will refund the money that day. No excuses.

Thanks

Justin

First off, I think you should refund at least half my money. Post count doesn't matter. Trader rating does and well you only have a 10. I, unlike some on here, do NOT screw people over or try to. And another thing, I need an address the one on the box comes up to a UPS store and I wouldn't think you'd live there. You say no excuses but so far you've been the king of excuses.




I am just getting so fed up with this whole ordeal. I don't even like the idea of sending the wheels back to him with no refund sent to me. After how he's acted about the idea of a refund to begin with he could get the wheels and still not send me my money back. I just recently sold an item and the person contacted me and said something was wrong with it and asked about the refund. I had told him just to send it back to me with a confirmation number and how much it cost to ship and I'd refund his money via PayPal as soon as he sent me the confirmation number. Granted I've not received anything from him yet but that is how I do refunds.

 

i think he should send you the money, then you send him the wheels.
just like when you bought them, you sent him the money first, then he sent the wheels
same procedure, why would it change?

 

his trader rating is very good ,I would refund the $$$ asap

 

I believe you can have Paypal lock in that money for refund (make sure funds are there) from the seller, as soon as some sort of tracking number is sent the wheels are on their way back those funds can be released.

It's an option to resolving this situation.

 

Havok2, I agree 100% with you, after thinking this through today that's the only way I feel safe with sending the wheels back.

I've already talked to PayPal and they basically told me there wasn't anything they could do since I received the item. Some of the money came off my credit card so I haven't called the credit card company yet to see if there was anything that could be done.
edit: I don't know if that'd apply to the refund situation since when I talked to them before it was about him sending the wrong item and was for awhile not communicating back to me.

 

A tracking number would be fine with me. You never mentioned that and I just thought of it now. As soon as I get the tracking number I will refund you your money. The money you sent me is still in the Paypal account, I use that account for Ebay, selling items on here, renting my fender rolling tool, and buying additional parts for the car. So the refund will take place immediately.