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Old Jan 8, 2009 | 08:12 AM
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Hey guys I'm looking at buying a ls1 motor/harness/ecu. The catch is it's auto. I am aware the harness can be modified to accept a t56 and the ecu needs to be reflashed. My question is how are the new reverse lockout and cruise control pins/wires integrated into the auto ecu? Also where can I take the ecu to be reflashed, if that is even true. Please excuse the ignorance and thanks in advance for your help.
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Old Jan 8, 2009 | 10:05 AM
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try a search on a4 to m6 conversion. lots of good info available.
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Old Jan 8, 2009 | 10:09 AM
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I don't know about the Cruise Control Wiring, I didn't mess with that at all when I built my Harness.

If you have anyone that Tunes locally, they should be able to flash the PCM for what you need.
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I don't know about the Cruise Control Wiring, I didn't mess with that at all when I built my Harness.

If you have anyone that Tunes locally, they should be able to flash the PCM for what you need.
This motor is going into a 240z and I probably wont retain the cruise control option anyways so that might even be trivial. I saw your previous posts on the topic and that helped a bit.
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That's good that it helped you guys. I know alot about wiring, not everything, but a good amount. I stripped all the Cruise Wiring out of my Harness for my Swap.
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If I were to get hptuners could I flash the pcm myself to accept the t56?
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Yea, just get in there and look at everything, and you will figure it out.
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Yea, just get in there and look at everything, and you will figure it out.
Ok thanks man
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Old Jan 8, 2009 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by blueshark123
This motor is going into a 240z and I probably wont retain the cruise control option anyways so that might even be trivial. I saw your previous posts on the topic and that helped a bit.
you'll regret it if you dont. cruise control is worth it even for one trip. imo
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Originally Posted by the_merv
Yea, just get in there and look at everything, and you will figure it out.
It's a lot easier getting an M6 bin and doing Write Entire on the A4 VCM.
Thats what 2 minutes 41 seconds compared to checking hundreds of tables individually.
Plus there are a few things that change that aren't defined with HP Tuners.
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It's a lot easier getting an M6 bin and doing Write Entire on the A4 VCM.
Thats what 2 minutes 41 seconds compared to checking hundreds of tables individually.
Plus there are a few things that change that aren't defined with HP Tuners.
Except that would cost you 2 extra credits. Why the hell would you even need to do that? PCM doesn't control the M6. Just turn off the A4 codes and connect the VSS.
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 12:08 AM
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Except that would cost you 2 extra credits.
It didn't cost me two extra ****.
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PCM doesn't control the M6. Just turn off the A4 codes and connect the VSS.
No, there are no changes between the two at all. LOL.
You can do it right, or do it half-assed. I prefer right.
And if you don't know what all this is, these are HP Tuners screen shots. It's comparing two stock bin files. A 2001 TA M6 and a 2001 Firebird A4.
The green highlights are differences.
Does it look like just the turning off A4 codes to you now?

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Why the hell would you even need to do that?
These are a few reasons why.

































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Originally Posted by 9000th01ss
It didn't cost me two extra ****.
Well good for ******* you. The correct way to do it is to copy over differences.


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No, there are no changes between the two at all. LOL.
You can do it right, or do it half-assed. I prefer right.
And if you don't know what all this is, these are HP Tuners screen shots. It's comparing two stock bin files. A 2001 TA M6 and a 2001 Firebird A4.
The green highlights are differences.
Does it look like just the turning off A4 codes to you now?

These are a few reasons why.
OK maybe I should have compared before answering. Still aside form the idle tables, idle spark and TM. You wouldn't know the difference.
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Well good for ******* you. The correct way to do it is to copy over differences.




OK maybe I should have compared before answering. Still aside form the idle tables, idle spark and TM. You wouldn't know the difference.
You need to do a write entire. I've done it. When you do this some of the VCM pinouts do different things.
This is what I said earlier in the post about some of the changes aren't defined in HP Tuners, meaning you can't see them.

That big A4 harness for example, when you write entire, the TCC wire goes from TCC to CAGS solenoid, the rest go dead, something with the cruise control goes dead and needs to be repinned, etc.

I've done this a few times and there is no reason at all to copy over everything. It takes too long and you end up with a A4 VCM with M6 **** in it still.
It takes 2 minutes and 41 seconds to do a write entire. How do you justify NOT just doing it that way? Then you change VINs and you're done.
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If you done it then I can't argue.

How can you use a tune from another car and not have to use 2 licenses? You have unlimited model/year?

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If you done it then I can't argue.

How can you use a tune from another car and not have to use 2 licenses? You have unlimited model/year?

I just go to the bin repository and find a stock bin thats the same car and same year.

I got HP Tuners in 2004 and I can do anything with any 2002 F-Body and 2004 GTO, as many times as I want, as many different cars as I want.

I actually have two cars and since I can only do 2002 F bodies with HP Tuners I bought a 2002 VCM to put in my 2001 Z28, now I can use it on both cars.
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Originally Posted by 9000th01ss
I just go to the bin repository and find a stock bin thats the same car and same year.

I got HP Tuners in 2004 and I can do anything with any 2002 F-Body and 2004 GTO, as many times as I want, as many different cars as I want.

I actually have two cars and since I can only do 2002 F bodies with HP Tuners I bought a 2002 VCM to put in my 2001 Z28, now I can use it on both cars.
So he will have to use 4 credits. My original intent was to save the guy money from have to buy more credits, but I evidently wasn't thinking too hard on that one either. Since it comes with 8.
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Originally Posted by 9000th01ss
I bought a 2002 VCM to put in my 2001 Z28
Was that cheaper than buying 2 more credits?
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