Look at it this way... The TC needs to kick in at the time the cam starts making good power...not earlier

Shift extension needs to be at least 1000 rpm so if you spin 6500 and SE is 5800 not a good match. Example of SE.. At WOT after 1st shift my car never sees less than 4800 even though it is a 3600 stall. It shifts at 6500 drops to 48000 and runs back to 6500. This keeps it in the uper powerband and makes it much faster because the rpm's stay where the car makes the best power (up top).

Same exact stall a 3000lb car will effectively launch at an earlier rpm than a 3500lb car with the same exact stall.

A 2.73 car will feel much "looser" or take more pedal than a 3.23 car for example to initially get rolling so this must be considered.

P/A such as No2 has so much initial torque it can "blow through" the TC and make it act like a much larger TC and stall higher than rated that it stalls out of the optimal powerband. With a P/A you usually go with a lower stall than a similiar N/A engine

 

wait man, you kinda misread my post, i have the LS1 intake not the LS6, thats about the only "bolt on" im missing, thats why my combo should be aroudn 340-345, like that ss345hp---or i cant remember his name, with the low black SS car.

yeah id probably be 360 with the intake.

also yeah, as for the list, it seems like most guys are getting around 350 to the wheels, average with this list of bolt ons
LT's, exhaust, free mods, lid, udp, tuning

pretty good numbers for a 50-60 hp increase and not even taking a valve cover off. i recall a article in gmhtp with a 98 z28 that was laying down 290 to the wheels and running a 1.66 12.2 quarter mile, then they put qtp headers on and got like 32x hp. 11 second car with headers? cant do that with a mustang......

 

Wow! What was that article called in gmhtp? Every bone in my body wants to call bs but yet I am surpised on here everyday so I won't do that I agree with you these LS1 cars seem to yeild very good gains with so little work done. Sorry, I didn't realize you were without the LS6 intake.

 

it was june 2005 article, called Q's Lethal gadgets, his car is a 2000 z28, name is marc r. hinkes. ill try and find it online, i have the magazine in front of me, but no scanner!!!

it has a dark green LT1 z28 on the cover, thats a sweet ride too, 9.xxx's with a procharger, LOOKS STOCK!!!!

 

id say any aftermarket performance part that you can install on your car without going into the engine, trans and rear internally is a bolt on.

 

yeah i couldn't find the article online, looked through all their tech articles.

 

if your tuner thinks you shouldnt hope for above 320, i would honestly not trust him to tune my car, he obviously does not know them that well. mine laid down 320 with nothing but a lid and a neutered catback (stock mani's, stock y, stock ls1 intake, no tune) and trapped 108 mph. i have since added full exhaust and the car traps 110, which should put me at a 20 hp gain, or 340 rwhp, still untuned, still ls1 intake, stock TB, and well over 100k miles

 

ok so here is the list of what i will have in my car once i get home and install it all, what kind of hp and tq should i be seeing?

slp lid and flo pack
flowtech headers
slp ypipe
radioactive high flow cat
slp loudmouth II catback
fast 90 intake
fast 90 tb
fast fuel rail
slp undrive pulley
160 thermo
tci 3500 stall
slp smooth bellow
mti cam 228 232
patriot gold dual valve springs

 

that combo with a good tune should be around 385-400 rwhp thru your auto trans, easily 400 rwhp if you had a 6 speed

 

thats what im thinking!!!! thinking about going to denver and getting it tuned by servion tuning. anyone on here use them?

 

what if i added ls6 heads?

 

dang man, your kinda working on a whole new thread here, going into heads/cam conversation. the LS6 heads are a step up above LS1 heads, with the sodium filled valves, larger intake/exhaust runners, and smaller combustion chambers (higher compression). probably worth some power, how much? idk, maybe 20 to the wheels? not totally sure.

and for your cam? idk i havent seen may LS1's with cams dyno under 400. but autos/stalls play good part in this too.

 

I tried and couldn't either. Food for thought though, interesting.

 

https://ls1tech.com/forums/new-ls1-o...anna-fast.html

thats the sticky that'll tell you everything you need to know about pretty much everything.

 

Yeah it was just more of an opinion thread really, since a lot of people have different opinions of what "full bolt" on really is. I think it would have been better as a "poll" but didn't know how to do that . Thanks for the info though man, appreciated.