Lowering springs
04-08-2012, 11:29 PM
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This is a pet peeve of mine... why does every thread on lowering have posts saying you have to buy all kinds of unnecessary stuff? I'm lowered maybe a little over an inch with cut stock springs, and I have a stock panhard bar (with 315s out back to boot), stock LCAs, and no relocation brackets. Seriously guys, don't buy into the marketing campaigns... you don't need that stuff unless you just feel a need to purge excess cash.
The only thing I would recommend that does get overlooked is an alignment. I chewed up the inside of a couple 275s after the car was lowered and never got aligned.
The only thing I would recommend that does get overlooked is an alignment. I chewed up the inside of a couple 275s after the car was lowered and never got aligned.
04-09-2012, 08:55 AM
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This is a pet peeve of mine... why does every thread on lowering have posts saying you have to buy all kinds of unnecessary stuff? I'm lowered maybe a little over an inch with cut stock springs, and I have a stock panhard bar (with 315s out back to boot), stock LCAs, and no relocation brackets. Seriously guys, don't buy into the marketing campaigns... you don't need that stuff unless you just feel a need to purge excess cash.
The only thing I would recommend that does get overlooked is an alignment. I chewed up the inside of a couple 275s after the car was lowered and never got aligned.
The only thing I would recommend that does get overlooked is an alignment. I chewed up the inside of a couple 275s after the car was lowered and never got aligned.
04-09-2012, 09:16 AM
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This is a pet peeve of mine... why does every thread on lowering have posts saying you have to buy all kinds of unnecessary stuff? I'm lowered maybe a little over an inch with cut stock springs, and I have a stock panhard bar (with 315s out back to boot), stock LCAs, and no relocation brackets. Seriously guys, don't buy into the marketing campaigns... you don't need that stuff unless you just feel a need to purge excess cash.
The only thing I would recommend that does get overlooked is an alignment. I chewed up the inside of a couple 275s after the car was lowered and never got aligned.
The only thing I would recommend that does get overlooked is an alignment. I chewed up the inside of a couple 275s after the car was lowered and never got aligned.
04-09-2012, 09:27 AM
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However I can also compare to the Koni shocks. My buddy has Konis on his car with the strano springs as well. There is definately a difference between his set-up and mine. His car is way way stiffer than mine. You can easily tell the bilstein shocks arnt as stiff as the konis instantly if you hopped in each car or even just pushed down on any fender. So I can see how the koni's are better. But for what I am doing with the car, as of now the bilsteins are great! I will see how long they last with the lowering springs.
Here is some eye candy:
04-09-2012, 09:50 AM
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I am in the same boat.. I bought BMR's lowering package which includes springs, LCA relocation Brackets and a Adjustable panhard bar.. I was going to wait to install these when I bought shocks.. Well I couldnt wait so I installed them this weekend ( didnt get to the fronts yet ran out of time) I took it for a tested drive and the car planted itself and took off.(felt more stable) Car has 100K miles on it so I know the shocks are bad but I am a newbie working on cars so thats why I installed them so the next time I get under there I know what I am doing. (Thanks to everyone on ls1tech for all the info on doing this) Sam Strano will be getting a call from me when I have the money to buy revalved bilsteins as I cant afford koni's.
04-09-2012, 04:12 PM
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This is a pet peeve of mine... why does every thread on lowering have posts saying you have to buy all kinds of unnecessary stuff? I'm lowered maybe a little over an inch with cut stock springs, and I have a stock panhard bar (with 315s out back to boot), stock LCAs, and no relocation brackets. Seriously guys, don't buy into the marketing campaigns... you don't need that stuff unless you just feel a need to purge excess cash.
Ever car is a little different, but to say something like an adjustable PHB or LCA's are "marketing" is just plain dumb.
While some may not need them, they are used to center/align the rear end so its strait with the car and to avoid possible tire/wheel rubbing. I have a watts link on my car now, but I would have never been able to run 315's in the rear with a stock PHB and being lowered, the tires would have been rubbing my inner fenders big time.
04-09-2012, 10:34 PM
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Did you do any BFH-ing or roll the fenders?
Ever car is a little different, but to say something like an adjustable PHB or LCA's are "marketing" is just plain dumb.
While some may not need them, they are used to center/align the rear end so its strait with the car and to avoid possible tire/wheel rubbing. I have a watts link on my car now, but I would have never been able to run 315's in the rear with a stock PHB and being lowered, the tires would have been rubbing my inner fenders big time.
Ever car is a little different, but to say something like an adjustable PHB or LCA's are "marketing" is just plain dumb.
While some may not need them, they are used to center/align the rear end so its strait with the car and to avoid possible tire/wheel rubbing. I have a watts link on my car now, but I would have never been able to run 315's in the rear with a stock PHB and being lowered, the tires would have been rubbing my inner fenders big time.
I'm just saying you don't NEED all kinds of new suspension just to lower a car. This is my problem with these threads. Someone posts a thread saying "I want to lower my car, what do I need?", and then they read people saying "oh you need this this this and this." The OP then gets the impression that it's very expensive to lower their car.
I don't understand why people NEED fancy tubular control arms, adjustable everything, and polyurethane bushings or rod ends. I have Bilstein shocks, 1LE LCA bushings, and that's it. My car rides just fine, a little firmer than stock, handles decent, has the perfect (not slammed) stance, and it doesn't have crappy poly bushings or harsh rod ends on every part of the suspension.
04-09-2012, 11:40 PM
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04-09-2012, 11:57 PM
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I see a lot of claims but nothing to back up those claims. Where are the tests or research?
I on the other hand, noticed a BIG improvement in handling on my old Mustang after I installed poly bushings all around. So this dude talking out of his *** means nothing to my personal experience, and I'm sure others on this site.
I'll be adding poly bushings on my Camaro because I know there will be felt results.
I on the other hand, noticed a BIG improvement in handling on my old Mustang after I installed poly bushings all around. So this dude talking out of his *** means nothing to my personal experience, and I'm sure others on this site.
I'll be adding poly bushings on my Camaro because I know there will be felt results.
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04-10-2012, 08:10 AM
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I did an alignment, but all that was added was bilsteins (which according to Strano, can handle eibach springs just fine) and the eibach prokit.
I have longtubes, so I avoid big bumps if possible, just drive like you have a brain and it's actually a very nice ride.
04-10-2012, 09:04 AM
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Alright here you go. I have been lowered for a week now. The ride is great. It is night and day difference from my stock springs/shocks. The ride is fairly firm though I actually wish it was a little firmer. The drop itself is nice, and not too low. I have not had any issues with ground clearance. I would recommend bilsteins for their price and for your casual driver.
However I can also compare to the Koni shocks. My buddy has Konis on his car with the strano springs as well. There is definately a difference between his set-up and mine. His car is way way stiffer than mine. You can easily tell the bilstein shocks arnt as stiff as the konis instantly if you hopped in each car or even just pushed down on any fender. So I can see how the koni's are better. But for what I am doing with the car, as of now the bilsteins are great! I will see how long they last with the lowering springs.
Here is some eye candy:
However I can also compare to the Koni shocks. My buddy has Konis on his car with the strano springs as well. There is definately a difference between his set-up and mine. His car is way way stiffer than mine. You can easily tell the bilstein shocks arnt as stiff as the konis instantly if you hopped in each car or even just pushed down on any fender. So I can see how the koni's are better. But for what I am doing with the car, as of now the bilsteins are great! I will see how long they last with the lowering springs.
Here is some eye candy:
That is a SEXY FINE car
As far as needing other stuff I needed an adjustable PHB and nothing else. No adj. LCA's but from what I seen that is hit or miss.
04-10-2012, 09:19 AM
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I have not rolled the fenders, I didn't do any BFHing for a long time and they did rub ever so slightly and pretty evenly on both sides (which is due to the 315s not the lowering). I did some hammering just recently for good measure, but I didn't need to as the rubbing was very minor.
I'm just saying you don't NEED all kinds of new suspension just to lower a car. This is my problem with these threads. Someone posts a thread saying "I want to lower my car, what do I need?", and then they read people saying "oh you need this this this and this." The OP then gets the impression that it's very expensive to lower their car.
I don't understand why people NEED fancy tubular control arms, adjustable everything, and polyurethane bushings or rod ends. I have Bilstein shocks, 1LE LCA bushings, and that's it. My car rides just fine, a little firmer than stock, handles decent, has the perfect (not slammed) stance, and it doesn't have crappy poly bushings or harsh rod ends on every part of the suspension.
I'm just saying you don't NEED all kinds of new suspension just to lower a car. This is my problem with these threads. Someone posts a thread saying "I want to lower my car, what do I need?", and then they read people saying "oh you need this this this and this." The OP then gets the impression that it's very expensive to lower their car.
I don't understand why people NEED fancy tubular control arms, adjustable everything, and polyurethane bushings or rod ends. I have Bilstein shocks, 1LE LCA bushings, and that's it. My car rides just fine, a little firmer than stock, handles decent, has the perfect (not slammed) stance, and it doesn't have crappy poly bushings or harsh rod ends on every part of the suspension.
04-10-2012, 10:30 AM
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I think I am on page with you. If you are alright with decent or just fine, than yes you are correct none of this stuff is a NEED. Some people want to have good handling though and not just decent, this is why I would never cut the stock springs... the spring rate alone is bad. Some of the stuff I agree is a bit much like the rod ends. Where I have to disagree is the adjustable PHB though. This was a NEED for my car. After I lowered my car it was clear the rear end shifted to the left. It sticks out more on the left side and was a bit in on the right side. The adj. PHB allowed me to move it back into place. Each car will be different im sure but some people need this stuff if they want to do it right. I have never driven in a car with cut springs, but i'd be willing to bet the ride is much worse than say someone with koni and any real lowering spring with the proper rate.
