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Old 02-17-2008, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by nasty z
So is a SS4000 not a lock up converter?
The SS4000 is a lock up converter. I don't know if you have read this but here is some info on STR that may help you decide.

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The PT4000 is $120 more, but it shouldn't hit quite has hard at the start, although it will still completely blow the tires off. FWIW, I've been driving mine for the past few weeks in the snow and slop, cause my beater crapped out.

Also, where in Michigan?? I'm in the Sault.

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I'm in the Oakland county area. Thank you for the info I will read that tonight. I am really looking into the PT now. What gears are you running? I was thinking about going with 3.73
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Originally Posted by nasty z
I am really looking into the PT now. What gears are you running?
2000 Z28, 3.73s, lid, LS6 intake, bbtb, flowmaster muffler, !AIR, !EGR and Performabuilt Level 2.

Here is some vids of mine to maybe aid in your decision:

PT4000

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Old 02-17-2008, 05:56 PM
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I been threw a TCI and Yank I think the PI vigalante has been the best by far.
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Stall first! Whichever stall you want go one bigger. I wanted 3600 and got a 3800 and I love it!
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ok stall first it is, but how do i match my cam to the stall i choose.
I will be getting a TSP 228R down the road, so how do i figure out what stall will work with that cam. and again thanks for all the help
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Originally Posted by super_fro_daddy
2000 Z28, 3.73s, lid, LS6 intake, bbtb, flowmaster muffler, !AIR, !EGR and Performabuilt Level 2.

Here is some vids of mine to maybe aid in your decision:

PT4000
Awesome vids man I have a tiny 3000stall but I do like its street manners but its still pretty lose. Maybe not this year since I have other mods to do but I want to get a higher stall put in my car. Your video is a very good look at how the 4000 is with its street manners since my car isnt a daily driver I can deal with it and it really didnt look that bad since my car hits 2800-3000 just to keep up with traffic. Its supposed to be a 3000 but I swear sometimes I think its a 3400 or so but hey either or is good with me.

Im also with everyone else on get the stall first and dont go lower then a 3200 id say you wont regret it and dont forget to get some sticky tires
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Originally Posted by MuscleCarZ28
ok stall first it is, but how do i match my cam to the stall i choose.
I will be getting a TSP 228R down the road, so how do i figure out what stall will work with that cam. and again thanks for all the help
What you need to do is find out where the cam makes power. Smaller cams tend to make the power down low, mid size cam cams tend to make better mid range power while big cams are usually all about the high rpm's.

a 228/228 falls into the mid size range as far as cams go. Here is a profile off texas speeds website

The Texas Speed 228/228 .588/.588 Camshaft With Your Choice of Lobe Seperation.

1600-6300 RPM Power Band; This is an excellent performance camshaft with a smooth idle! Custom tuning for automatic cars required

This camshaft typically gains approximately 40rwhp!


LS1's powerband in general is 3500-6000 so clearly this cam makes decent mid and upper range power. Anywhere in the 3500-4400 range will work and work well. The higher you go with the stall the better the NA performance will be.

So a Yank PT4400 would out perform a Yank SS3600 at the track. But the PT4400 would not be N20 friendly (in case you ever decided to strap on a 100 shot) and it would't have a lot of street manners (very loose feeling stall with decreased city mpg).

I would stick with a 3600-4000 size if N20 or street manners are any concern. Otherwise a PT4200 or PT4400 would definately be a good choice.

Good luck.
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Originally Posted by darrensls1
So a Yank PT4400 would out perform a Yank SS3600 at the track. But the PT4400 would not be N20 friendly (in case you ever decided to strap on a 100 shot) and it would't have a lot of street manners (very loose feeling stall with decreased city mpg).

I would stick with a 3600-4000 size if N20 or street manners are any concern. Otherwise a PT4200 or PT4400 would definately be a good choice.

Good luck.
Very well said. I had/have no intention of spraying so I went with the PT4000 (plus, as I mentioned earlier, the price was the same as the SS3600).
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Originally Posted by darrensls1
What you need to do is find out where the cam makes power. Smaller cams tend to make the power down low, mid size cam cams tend to make better mid range power while big cams are usually all about the high rpm's.

a 228/228 falls into the mid size range as far as cams go. Here is a profile off texas speeds website

The Texas Speed 228/228 .588/.588 Camshaft With Your Choice of Lobe Seperation.

1600-6300 RPM Power Band; This is an excellent performance camshaft with a smooth idle! Custom tuning for automatic cars required

This camshaft typically gains approximately 40rwhp!



LS1's powerband in general is 3500-6000 so clearly this cam makes decent mid and upper range power. Anywhere in the 3500-4400 range will work and work well. The higher you go with the stall the better the NA performance will be.

So a Yank PT4400 would out perform a Yank SS3600 at the track. But the PT4400 would not be N20 friendly (in case you ever decided to strap on a 100 shot) and it would't have a lot of street manners (very loose feeling stall with decreased city mpg).

I would stick with a 3600-4000 size if N20 or street manners are any concern. Otherwise a PT4200 or PT4400 would definately be a good choice.

Good luck.
perfect, just the info. i needed. thanks

this is my d/d so i dont want something to loose. i think i'll go with a 3600
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Originally Posted by MuscleCarZ28
i think i'll go with a 3600
Glad we could help.

I bought my 3400 on a bit of a whim and took 6 months to have it installed while I decided on whether I really wanted it. Needless to say I was pretty pissed at myself for waiting so long.
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how difficult do you think it would be to put in the stall on your own? and lets just say im not the biggest idiot on the block...
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Originally Posted by SSstud
how difficult do you think it would be to put in the stall on your own? and lets just say im not the biggest idiot on the block...
It's not impossible but it's not like slipping on headers either. For one the transmssion needs to be completely removed from the vehicle and that means you need a tranny jack. Here is a good walkthrough for you. I read this and then decided to pay $275 for a professional to do my install.

http://modernmusclecars.net/forums/a...p?do=tcinstall

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