kidcamaro98

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The hsw plates can flow more then a 150...

alot of misleading people in this thread. Maybe Nick will chime in within the next few days.

ronn25

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Its HSW that is misleading then. When I ordered my plate from them they told me it was would only go up to 150hp. All I ordered was the plate, no lines or solenoids.

My question is why would they say this?

I have sprayed 175hp through mine so far. I'm sure it will go more, don't know how efficient it will be.

kidcamaro98

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thats the problem. They are being SAFE for your benefit. You just ordered the plate. How to they know what solenoids you will put behind it? for all they know, you could put some NOS powershot solenoids into the plate that can hardly flow a 125 efficiently. They are being safe protecting their product, and your motor by telling you a limitation on what you can spray through it, without knowing any other details on your kit.

this does NOT give you guys a reason to point the finger that they are misleading. If you bought a complete wet kit from them that came with the plate, I am positive they would tell you, that you could put up to a 250 shot through them. 250 shot is the limitation the hsw plates can flow from what I believe.

HSW sells the "big bottle solenoids" for a reason. If you want to flow more nitrous through your plate, you need to upgrade the solenoids.

kinglt-1

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-The Sudden Impact plate is rated to 150 and utilizes 4an fittings/bottle nut
http://www.harrisspeedworks.com/prod...cat=136&page=1

-The Brute Force plate is rated to 200 but guys are spraying up to 300 on it. Utilizes the bigger 6an fittings/bottle nut
http://www.harrisspeedworks.com/prod...nf=513&slot=40

parks400

https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-o...e-jetting.html
Read what Nick@HSW says in post #4. Straight from the horses mouth. Why is any kind of solid info shrouded in secrecy?

ronn25

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It would have helped a lot if they would have simply said with bigger solenoids you can run over 150hp. As I already have bigger lines and solenoids. But I asked them when I bought it how much hp will it go up to? There answer- "This plate only goes to 150hp". Their words not mine.

Personally I "think" there is no difference in the plates they sell.

minytrker

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Thats probably why they are not around anymore as a sponsor. Alot of time you get what you pay for.

camscam02

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I dont see why you always bash a company that has done nothing bad to you. You like Dave, cool. There are other ways to show that than talking negative every single time.

As far as the plates I also "believe" they are the same and the solenoids make the difference. Also as I have stated I run a .093 jet in mine. Went 115mph to the 1/8 all weekend at our local Outlaw 8.5 race.

Graham@NitrousOutlet

Why not just ask the person what there system consists of and do a little tech to help out customers and keep them safe if that is the true goal?

I tell everyone all the time that our plates will do 400hp. I NEVER have told anyone to do it however.


I guess it is simply a difference of opinion.

minytrker

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The truth hurts sometimes. I post about what I have seen first hand or have done on my own cars. Why do you always stand up for them, get a free plate or a good deal on your system?

115mph in the 1/8 at 3300lbs? It takes around 800rwhp to go that mph at that weight if I figured that right. How much power do think your making, ever been on a dyno? Thats a hell of a mph, should be in the 5.93-5.96 range Im guessing.

RedVertTA

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The following was posted by Nick from Harris Speedworks on another thread in response to a question asked by bluehawk2. (Thank you parks400 for pointing this out):

So we know for a fact that the two plates are different.


The following was taken from the harris site:

This is the parts list for the sudden impact kit:



This is the parts list for the brute force kit:



Notice the plate listed in both has the exact same name, this is a problem. No attempt is made to distinguish between the two plates. Whether intentional or not (I'd prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt) this is misleading. This is at best irresponsible, at worst deceitful. There is no way for a customer to distinguish between the two plates from reading the site. A customer may come to the wrong conclusion that he can just slap on bigger lines, jets and solenoids and spray a bigger shot. Harris Speedworks really ought to correct this.

camscam02

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No I paid for everything from them actually, Nick and Mike have treated me great from the get go even when I wasnt "known" on tech or anything like that. Customer service is #1 with me and Ive always had it.

But we weighed 3280 with me in it this weekend. We run Outlaw 8.5 here in the WCHRA. It uses the Goodyear 26x8.5 which is absolutely terrible. 5.30 cars on the hoosier struggle to go 5.60 5.70 on this tire. But this weekend we went 1.442 6.130 114.82 in the 2800 air and 120 degree track temps( it rattles the tires until about 100 feet out). It works. Car goes 1.30-1.32 on the 28's. Car has been on the dyno like 2 years ago on motor made 435 havent really changed much since then besides a th400 and 9 inch plus the nitrous. sorry for the long post

edit: Its been 5.95 once on this tire where somehow we got it to hook. 1.35 sixty foot. Havent had it on the bigger tire with this much nitrous on it. We figure like you said the 5.92-5.96 range

minytrker

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I have never ran 26's always 28's, do you run the same gear for both tires? I have always ran a 3.90 with 28's. 115mph is still a hell of a mph with any tire with your mods. Your converter must be setup really well for your car. Do you foot brake or use a TB?

camscam02

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Its a fun class on a small tire. We run 3.89s with both tires, we might try 3.70's next time out to see if we can slow the wheelspeed down a little bit. Im already pulling 10 degrees out on the leave and ramping it back in. We have been very very satisfied with the converter from Greg at FTI, he nailed it first try. We leave off the TB off the 2 step.

ATVracr

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Put a glide in it Cam.

camscam02

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If we had the means, that would def. be in the car. Gotta work with what we got for now.

ATVracr

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I feel your pain.

FYI, we went from 4.11 to 3.73 and the car went faster. Gear change is a good idea.
Might even want to think about 3.55's

camscam02

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That and maybe tighten up the converter a little bit so it wont hit the tires as hard. Hard thing with the stock pcm is that you cant take timing out for X amount of time. I can only go to 6000 and then ramp to 6400. Pain in the butt.

We are probably going to a 3.70 but we will think about the 3.55, a gear change is actually one of the easier things to do with these cars. haha

ATVracr

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That 1st gear and a 26" tire has got to be tuff.
My vote is 3.55.

Good luck !

kidcamaro98

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not to butt into your conversation with the other guy, but I was thinking about doing this same thing. Currently I have 4.11's in my moser 12 bolt, and I did have a 26" tire on it (mt's). The car doesnt seem to have the pull with the 4.11's like it did back with the 10 bolt and 3.42's. My trap speeds actually went down.

Now I have a 27" tire on it, but havent been to the track with them yet. The car is semi decent all motor, but I find myself going through the gears way to fast on the bottle. My rev limiter is set at 7100rpms, but all motor I usually shift at 6700 at the track, and on the bottle 6500.

my question is, if I swapped the 4.11's to a 3.73 and keep the 27" tire on there (make 400rwhp on motor) would it benefit me, or hurt me? I did really like having the "longer" gears with the 3.42's. I am a t56 btw.

I am not a die hard track guy, I mostly play around late at night on the streets. However I do go to the track a few times a year. I am trying to figure out a gear that I can come out of the hole hard on, without bogging or using the bottle, but still have a real good pull in gears out on the open roads. I liked the pull on the highway with the 3.42's but trying to come out hard from a stop was brutal.

now a little off topic but where did you race motocross and what did you ride? I raced quad expert and I had a roll design yz445 Hybrid. Sadly, I got hurt a few years ago and stopped racing. I raced a lonestar 250r that had a ct350 in it for years. Man I loved that quad.