Nitrous Oxide Installation | Tuning | Products
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

A couple melted spark plugs

Old Oct 29, 2012 | 07:27 PM
  #1  
batboy's Avatar
Thread Starter
11 Second Club
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,309
Likes: 2
From: middle of nowhere, Kansas
Default A couple melted spark plugs

Good news, I have a new PB and broke into the 10s (10.95 @ 122.6 mph). Bad news, I melted a couple plugs. Yeah, probably should have pulled a couple more degrees of timing. The car did not go lean, maybe a little rich with AFR in the low 11s. Here is a pic of one burnt plug and one good plug for a comparison. I plan to check compression tomorrow. Any chance there is no additional damage? The only code it threw was P0101 MAF.

Reply
Old Oct 29, 2012 | 08:06 PM
  #2  
speedtigger's Avatar
Old School Heavy
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 8,835
Likes: 84
From: Florida
Default

That is my worst nightmare. A set of plugs that look like that after a pass.

What was your total timing and what was your nitrous jetting?
Reply
Old Oct 29, 2012 | 08:17 PM
  #3  
batboy's Avatar
Thread Starter
11 Second Club
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,309
Likes: 2
From: middle of nowhere, Kansas
Default

Don't know my timing without looking at HP tuners. I was jetted for a 150 shot with a nitrous plate (62/35).
Reply
Old Oct 29, 2012 | 08:19 PM
  #4  
speedtigger's Avatar
Old School Heavy
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 8,835
Likes: 84
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by batboy
Don't know my timing without looking at HP tuners. I was jetted for a 150 shot with a nitrous plate (62/35).
Pump gas too I assume?
Reply
Old Oct 29, 2012 | 08:32 PM
  #5  
Carter01's Avatar
9 Second Club
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,828
Likes: 0
From: South Ga
Default

The rest of that plug went somewhere....
Reply
Old Oct 29, 2012 | 08:52 PM
  #6  
batboy's Avatar
Thread Starter
11 Second Club
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,309
Likes: 2
From: middle of nowhere, Kansas
Default

Yes, pump gas. The missing part of the plug is what I'm worried about.
Reply
Old Oct 29, 2012 | 09:52 PM
  #7  
ZTwentyAteU's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,250
Likes: 0
From: Nashville, TN
Default

^ it prob beat around inside the chamber till it found its way out of the exhaust valve. I'd check the compression in case it got the valve. In all reality it prob just spit it out though
Reply
Old Oct 29, 2012 | 10:32 PM
  #8  
03EBZ06's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,058
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by batboy
Yes, pump gas. The missing part of the plug is what I'm worried about.
Your plugs are hard to see, but...

Looks like too much spark. One on the left seems to have detonation specs all over porcelain and the ground strap looks fully heated to the base.

That said, are you shooting across the MAF? If you do, expect the PCM to see excessively cold air coming in and possibly ADD spark. Just a guess
based on your P0101 code. I would also wonder if the MAF is still in working order.

I melted so many plugs in my 302 Mustang, I didn't have any idea how it could live, but it always did. Usually stuff like that goes out the exhaust.
I would check compression. If good, see if you can blow an air gun in there while piston up top and make sure no chunks still in there.
Reply
Old Oct 30, 2012 | 08:33 AM
  #9  
batboy's Avatar
Thread Starter
11 Second Club
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,309
Likes: 2
From: middle of nowhere, Kansas
Default

My nitrous system is a wet plate, so no, I am not spraying through the MAF. I had a buddy tell me with the cooler dry weather last weekend, I should have pulled a couple more degrees of timing and I agree. But, hindsight is 20/20 of course. As stated in my first post, I plan to do a compression check. I'd like to check out the cylinders with a borescope, but I can't find one locally. I guess if the compression test indicates a problem, I'll pull the heads off.
Reply
Old Oct 30, 2012 | 09:32 AM
  #10  
ATVracr's Avatar
9 Second Club
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 5,297
Likes: 1
From: GB
Default

To much timing for sure.

62/35 jetting sounds real rich.

This is the time of year you need to watch out for the good air it will get a plug or 2 if your not careful.
Reply
Old Oct 30, 2012 | 09:59 AM
  #11  
speedtigger's Avatar
Old School Heavy
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 8,835
Likes: 84
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by ATVracr
To much timing for sure.

62/35 jetting sounds real rich.

This is the time of year you need to watch out for the good air it will get a plug or 2 if your not careful.
What precautions do you take in cold air? Jet up the fuel? Pull extra timing out?
Reply
Old Oct 30, 2012 | 10:44 AM
  #12  
10secZ28's Avatar
Launching!
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 261
Likes: 1
From: cape coral, fl
Default

pull some timing out
Reply
Old Oct 30, 2012 | 02:29 PM
  #13  
ATVracr's Avatar
9 Second Club
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 5,297
Likes: 1
From: GB
Default

Originally Posted by speedtigger
What precautions do you take in cold air? Jet up the fuel? Pull extra timing out?
Just pull timing.
Once the fueling is good we dont mess with it much because of weather.
If its hot and the air sucks add timing, if its cold and air is good take some out. Fueling will stay pretty consistant.

JMO.
Reply
Old Oct 30, 2012 | 03:12 PM
  #14  
speedtigger's Avatar
Old School Heavy
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 8,835
Likes: 84
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by 10secZ28
pull some timing out
Originally Posted by ATVracr
Just pull timing.
Once the fueling is good we dont mess with it much because of weather.
If its hot and the air sucks add timing, if its cold and air is good take some out. Fueling will stay pretty consistant.

JMO.
Sounds good. The weather is getting cooler down here finally, so I should get a chance to run in some cold air this winter.
Reply
Old Oct 30, 2012 | 07:22 PM
  #15  
batboy's Avatar
Thread Starter
11 Second Club
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,309
Likes: 2
From: middle of nowhere, Kansas
Default

Guess it was wishful thinking for me to hope it was only a couple of melted plugs. I have zero compression in #5 cylinder. Presumably, I'll have to pull the head off to see what happened.
Reply
Old Oct 30, 2012 | 07:27 PM
  #16  
speedtigger's Avatar
Old School Heavy
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 8,835
Likes: 84
From: Florida
Default

That sucks.
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:40 AM
  #17  
03EBZ06's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,058
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by batboy
Guess it was wishful thinking for me to hope it was only a couple of melted plugs. I have zero compression in #5 cylinder. Presumably, I'll have to pull the head off to see what happened.
FYI: I once overheated a cylinder. Thought the cylinder was a gonner--and it was. Turns out the valve guide overheated too, galled and valve would not fully close. Not telling you how to work on your car, but I would pull all 16 valves out while the heads are off.
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2012 | 10:31 AM
  #18  
ShiznityZ28's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,554
Likes: 1
From: GB MD
Default

Originally Posted by batboy
Guess it was wishful thinking for me to hope it was only a couple of melted plugs. I have zero compression in #5 cylinder. Presumably, I'll have to pull the head off to see what happened.
It burnt the piston up a the edge of the valve pocket is my guess.

the plus have alot of run time on them so its hard to see but i would bet to much timming and rich....thats what everyone ends up with . the kits are jetted to rich from the jet charts sent out and people go from the 2 degrees per 50 rule but have no idea from what and that 40* air to 100* air is ~ 5-6* worth of change you need to keep up with...
Reply
Old Nov 8, 2012 | 12:23 PM
  #19  
Sales@Tick's Avatar
FormerVendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 7,480
Likes: 17
From: Mount Airy, NC
Default

Shiz and Wayne did you guys ever go to a colder plug when the air gets cool outside?
Reply
Old Nov 8, 2012 | 01:58 PM
  #20  
ATVracr's Avatar
9 Second Club
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 5,297
Likes: 1
From: GB
Default

No we always ran the coldest plug NGK has #11... if you dont need that then you need more nitrous.

We have stepped up to #10 with the blower. LOL !
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:33 PM.