100-150 shot?
Sounds like your car and track season in New York is about the same as it is here in Michigan. I hate winter lol. I put maybe 2k a year on the Camaro. I take it to car shows, cruises, and maybe the track once a year. Since everything I do is fairly local, i just crack the bottle open before leaving, then close it when home. Very rarely if ever am I out for more than 5-6 hours at best, so I'm not worried leaving the bottle open. If I took the car out for longer distances and/or time, I'd probably want a remote opener for sure then. I still may get one though...who knows lol
Yea we spend a whole lot more time looking at our stuff in the garage than actually being able to use it here, that's for sure...I hear ya man, no need to spend a few hundred and few hours on it if it works for ya how it is...I like it simple. I probably do quite a few less miles a year than you, but when its running its RUNNING lol.
All these people quoting 10k to go boosted are you having someone else do the work? I have less than half that into mine. People buy sell and trade turbo and blower kits all the time on this site and others. People buy used nitrous kits too without issue. Huron speed just had their group purchase for less than 3k for a new kit. Add another 500 bucks for injectors and a pump and you're good.
This is comparing to the gains of a 100 to 150 shot so don't say you need a $1000 fuel system. And let's not forget the cost of bottle refills. What's a 10lb bottle to fill these days, 50 bucks? And the remote opener and bottle warmer and lines switches etc all add up. I'm not saying it can't be cheaper for some, but there are other things to consider.
This is comparing to the gains of a 100 to 150 shot so don't say you need a $1000 fuel system. And let's not forget the cost of bottle refills. What's a 10lb bottle to fill these days, 50 bucks? And the remote opener and bottle warmer and lines switches etc all add up. I'm not saying it can't be cheaper for some, but there are other things to consider.
Spray only appeals to me when hidden. Nobody can know you are using it otherwise, whats the point? Oh good ******* job you injected 300 horsepower. That took alot of skill
So many idiots are doing buying pre-built 700cid motors and spray 500 worth of nitrous into it, then congratulate themselves with a big jerk circle of back patting at how fast 'they' made their cars. On TV.
Don't be like them...
So many idiots are doing buying pre-built 700cid motors and spray 500 worth of nitrous into it, then congratulate themselves with a big jerk circle of back patting at how fast 'they' made their cars. On TV.
Don't be like them...
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 74
Likes: 0
All these people quoting 10k to go boosted are you having someone else do the work? I have less than half that into mine. People buy sell and trade turbo and blower kits all the time on this site and others. People buy used nitrous kits too without issue. Huron speed just had their group purchase for less than 3k for a new kit. Add another 500 bucks for injectors and a pump and you're good.
This is comparing to the gains of a 100 to 150 shot so don't say you need a $1000 fuel system. And let's not forget the cost of bottle refills. What's a 10lb bottle to fill these days, 50 bucks? And the remote opener and bottle warmer and lines switches etc all add up. I'm not saying it can't be cheaper for some, but there are other things to consider.
This is comparing to the gains of a 100 to 150 shot so don't say you need a $1000 fuel system. And let's not forget the cost of bottle refills. What's a 10lb bottle to fill these days, 50 bucks? And the remote opener and bottle warmer and lines switches etc all add up. I'm not saying it can't be cheaper for some, but there are other things to consider.
Then the install of a pro charger and beefing up the bottom end, I was quoted just labor (taking motor out, rebuild, install motor back in, install procharger) $3500. $450 for tune. Beefing up the bottom end-pistons, connecting rods, etc was a few thousand. Still doesn't include a rear end which I wasn't really planning on doing right this min. but still wanted to keep it in the back of my mind.
Spray only appeals to me when hidden. Nobody can know you are using it otherwise, whats the point? Oh good ******* job you injected 300 horsepower. That took alot of skill
So many idiots are doing buying pre-built 700cid motors and spray 500 worth of nitrous into it, then congratulate themselves with a big jerk circle of back patting at how fast 'they' made their cars. On TV.
Don't be like them...
So many idiots are doing buying pre-built 700cid motors and spray 500 worth of nitrous into it, then congratulate themselves with a big jerk circle of back patting at how fast 'they' made their cars. On TV.
Don't be like them...
Hate to break the news to you, Professional and most semi pro racers rarely build their own engines, They have professionals build them and for good reason. They don't have the equipment/tools/room or know how to build them. They seek out the best in the business and pay ungodly prices because they can't win without them. These engine builders build their reputations over many years because they are the best at what they do. You can buy all the parts and put them together yourself but you aren't going to make the same power because you haven't spent years perfecting combinations and learning all the little tricks that might only gain you a few hp here and there but when added together can mean the difference between winning and losing and not blowing up a $50,000+ engine.
Going fast also involves a lot more than bolting in a fire breathing engine, You still have to make the car work with the power. I used to beat guys that had more in their engine than I had in my whole car because I was better at setting up for the track conditions. You can have all the power in the world but it won't help you go faster if you can't get it to the ground.
Last edited by LLLosingit; Mar 10, 2018 at 03:53 AM.
I was quoted I think it was 6-7k for a new procharger
Then the install of a pro charger and beefing up the bottom end, I was quoted just labor (taking motor out, rebuild, install motor back in, install procharger) $3500. $450 for tune. Beefing up the bottom end-pistons, connecting rods, etc was a few thousand. Still doesn't include a rear end which I wasn't really planning on doing right this min. but still wanted to keep it in the back of my mind.
Then the install of a pro charger and beefing up the bottom end, I was quoted just labor (taking motor out, rebuild, install motor back in, install procharger) $3500. $450 for tune. Beefing up the bottom end-pistons, connecting rods, etc was a few thousand. Still doesn't include a rear end which I wasn't really planning on doing right this min. but still wanted to keep it in the back of my mind.
Typically, boost is gentler on an engine than nitrous and cylinder pressure rise is linear, unless you decide to go the progressive route and have it come in slow on nitrous. There are advantages to both. Boost is always there and there is no "running out". A basic nitrous kit without all the bells and whistles is a cheaper entry price, but things like fuel demand and power limit on a stock motor and rearend apply to both scenarios.
LS1 Tech Stories
The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked
Pouria Savadkouei
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP
Verdad Gallardo
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes
Verdad Gallardo
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power
Verdad Gallardo
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die
Verdad Gallardo
Five Reasons the Camaro Was the Most Pivotal Player in the Pony Car Wars 2.0
Brett Foote
10 Reasons the LS7 Is GM's Most Extreme Naturally Aspirated V8 Engine Ever
Verdad Gallardo How is setting up an engine for nitrous any different than bolting a turbo/supercharger on an engine? And you don't just bolt on a nitrous system and bam it's 300hp at the push of a button, You have to upgrade the fuel system and tune for it and maybe change cam/converter and gears.....Just like a turbo or supercharger!
Hate to break the news to you, Professional and most semi pro racers rarely build their own engines, They have professionals build them and for good reason. They don't have the equipment/tools/room or know how to build them. They seek out the best in the business and pay ungodly prices because they can't win without them. These engine builders build their reputations over many years because they are the best at what they do. You can buy all the parts and put them together yourself but you aren't going to make the same power because you haven't spent years perfecting combinations and learning all the little tricks that might only gain you a few hp here and there but when added together can mean the difference between winning and losing and not blowing up a $50,000+ engine.
Going fast also involves a lot more than bolting in a fire breathing engine, You still have to make the car work with the power. I used to beat guys that had more in their engine than I had in my whole car because I was better at setting up for the track conditions. You can have all the power in the world but it won't help you go faster if you can't get it to the ground.
Hate to break the news to you, Professional and most semi pro racers rarely build their own engines, They have professionals build them and for good reason. They don't have the equipment/tools/room or know how to build them. They seek out the best in the business and pay ungodly prices because they can't win without them. These engine builders build their reputations over many years because they are the best at what they do. You can buy all the parts and put them together yourself but you aren't going to make the same power because you haven't spent years perfecting combinations and learning all the little tricks that might only gain you a few hp here and there but when added together can mean the difference between winning and losing and not blowing up a $50,000+ engine.
Going fast also involves a lot more than bolting in a fire breathing engine, You still have to make the car work with the power. I used to beat guys that had more in their engine than I had in my whole car because I was better at setting up for the track conditions. You can have all the power in the world but it won't help you go faster if you can't get it to the ground.
hey thanks for the question. Its just my opinion but I think in racing you should build your own car, race your own car. I don't buy this 50 people work on it and 1 guy driving stuff, that isn't skill on behalf of the owner/driver its just $$$. Anyone can win with $$ **** give me $9999999999 and watch I win every race. I'll buy every team and every player and every engine and all the media and be the only one on the track. And the news will say Im the best. And I didn't lift a finger. It isn't racing.
Nitrous is different because no skill required. You wana add a turbo to your car by yourself in the backyard you need some skill. A supercharger is kind of also skill-less but at least you have to actually turn a wrench or two.
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 74
Likes: 0
Why would you have to build the bottom end with boost and not spray? You're getting bad info from someone. A) you do not need to build a bottom end if you're looking to add 150hp to a healthy stock motor. B) if you decide to add enough hp from either n2O or boost, you'll have to build the motor anyways. You need to compare apples to apples. As building the drivetrain is the same either way.
Typically, boost is gentler on an engine than nitrous and cylinder pressure rise is linear, unless you decide to go the progressive route and have it come in slow on nitrous. There are advantages to both. Boost is always there and there is no "running out". A basic nitrous kit without all the bells and whistles is a cheaper entry price, but things like fuel demand and power limit on a stock motor and rearend apply to both scenarios.
Typically, boost is gentler on an engine than nitrous and cylinder pressure rise is linear, unless you decide to go the progressive route and have it come in slow on nitrous. There are advantages to both. Boost is always there and there is no "running out". A basic nitrous kit without all the bells and whistles is a cheaper entry price, but things like fuel demand and power limit on a stock motor and rearend apply to both scenarios.
I could add 100 shot without building bottom end because it would hold. I wouldnt be even at 550rwhp.
If I went with a procharger I would be roughly at 650rwhp. give or take?
I would be better off just building the bottom end for security.
And yes fuel and rearend apply to both applications. I agree with that.
My thing was just money- I wouldn't be going to the track a lot. So I won't be using the 600-650rwhp.
If I wanted to be "prepared" I could add nitrous. 500-550rwhp id be happy with. A wet kit, from my research, new cost half of what a procharger cost. And I'd save on labor because even if I got my buddy to do it, he wouldn't charge much or I could do it myself.
I could always get used, but I havent really liked into it honestly.
You don't necessarily need to build the bottom end with a blower or turbo either. If you wanted to run just a few pounds of boost you could make similar power as a 100 shot and be in that 500-550 range. I can tell you from personal experience though, a 100 shot will easily out perform 100 hp from a blower. Instant power and huge torque, no parasitic losses or heat soak, etc...Take two cars with exactly the same mods and driver and whatnot, it will take a good bit more hp for a blower to outrun the nitrous car with all else being equal.
Also if you compare new to new, or used to used, a basic nitrous setup will more like maybe 1/5th the cost of a blower or turbo
Also if you compare new to new, or used to used, a basic nitrous setup will more like maybe 1/5th the cost of a blower or turbo
That is extremely disrespectful to anyone whose actually done a nitrous or blower and shows your complete ignorance. You do realize cylinder pressures increase much quicker on a nitrous setup than a boosted setup, thereby increasing the chance to cause engine damage, right? Yet again an example of you showing how little you know and your theory...with no real world experience.
I'd also like to add that while a turbo or blower does require some skill to install (especially turbo) a complete and proper nitrous kit is no picnic either. All the wiring, relays, switches, etc...take a certain skill level as well to do it right.
Spray only appeals to me when hidden. Nobody can know you are using it otherwise, whats the point? Oh good ******* job you injected 300 horsepower. That took alot of skill
So many idiots are doing buying pre-built 700cid motors and spray 500 worth of nitrous into it, then congratulate themselves with a big jerk circle of back patting at how fast 'they' made their cars. On TV.
Don't be like them...
So many idiots are doing buying pre-built 700cid motors and spray 500 worth of nitrous into it, then congratulate themselves with a big jerk circle of back patting at how fast 'they' made their cars. On TV.
Don't be like them...
hey thanks for the question. Its just my opinion but I think in racing you should build your own car, race your own car. I don't buy this 50 people work on it and 1 guy driving stuff, that isn't skill on behalf of the owner/driver its just $$$. Anyone can win with $$ **** give me $9999999999 and watch I win every race. I'll buy every team and every player and every engine and all the media and be the only one on the track. And the news will say Im the best. And I didn't lift a finger. It isn't racing.
Nitrous is different because no skill required. You wana add a turbo to your car by yourself in the backyard you need some skill. A supercharger is kind of also skill-less but at least you have to actually turn a wrench or two.
Nitrous is different because no skill required. You wana add a turbo to your car by yourself in the backyard you need some skill. A supercharger is kind of also skill-less but at least you have to actually turn a wrench or two.
That is extremely disrespectful to anyone whose actually done a nitrous or blower and shows your complete ignorance. You do realize cylinder pressures increase much quicker on a nitrous setup than a boosted setup, thereby increasing the chance to cause engine damage, right? Yet again an example of you showing how little you know and your theory...with no real world experience.
The engine rings are opened up for 200+ shot. My tuner suggested that I should run race fuel with an independent fuel system when I decide to run NOS. I do have twin 340s in the tank with only one pump wired in for now and was planning on wiring it in once I decided to spray it. I'm still undecided on a plate or direct port system and I'm really not sure what all I'd need to get everything setup on the car. Any suggestions?
TECH Junkie
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 3,913
Likes: 366
From: White Bear, Mn
Nitrous absolutely takes skill & knowledge and the bigger the shot the more skill and knowledge is needed especially to have a accurate and consistent setup.
All these people quoting 10k to go boosted are you having someone else do the work? I have less than half that into mine. People buy sell and trade turbo and blower kits all the time on this site and others. People buy used nitrous kits too without issue. Huron speed just had their group purchase for less than 3k for a new kit. Add another 500 bucks for injectors and a pump and you're good.
This is comparing to the gains of a 100 to 150 shot so don't say you need a $1000 fuel system. And let's not forget the cost of bottle refills. What's a 10lb bottle to fill these days, 50 bucks? And the remote opener and bottle warmer and lines switches etc all add up. I'm not saying it can't be cheaper for some, but there are other things to consider.
This is comparing to the gains of a 100 to 150 shot so don't say you need a $1000 fuel system. And let's not forget the cost of bottle refills. What's a 10lb bottle to fill these days, 50 bucks? And the remote opener and bottle warmer and lines switches etc all add up. I'm not saying it can't be cheaper for some, but there are other things to consider.
Whereas a nitrous setup can run ya maybe $2000 +/- few hundred tops for absolutely everything you'd need to spray the ***** off your car...for the average person though, yes bottle fills on a 10lber can range from $40-80... but nitrous is around $2.35-3 per pound depending on supplier. Can be done very cheap if you get a filling station, would pay for itself over a season or two and you can make yourself some cash with it lol.
I'm just commenting to the OP who had some nitrous questions, I've never built a turbo car... thinking about doing so in the future...but I've done a roots blower and a procharger on two different cars in the past... I've always loved nitrous it works, its "easier and cheaper" than a boosted car...and I prefer to stick with what I know for now. That's all it is to me...cheap easy power that I'm pretty knowledgeable with.
The engine rings are opened up for 200+ shot. My tuner suggested that I should run race fuel with an independent fuel system when I decide to run NOS. I do have twin 340s in the tank with only one pump wired in for now and was planning on wiring it in once I decided to spray it. I'm still undecided on a plate or direct port system and I'm really not sure what all I'd need to get everything setup on the car. Any suggestions?