Timing Tuner questions...
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Timing Tuner questions... I've been reading a lot about them lately. I may be interested in buying one for the car but don't realy know what are the benefits are and what it will do to help my steup. Would anyone care to explain to me what the features are and how it can help me.
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I don't know how often your car gets street-driven, but I can only assume it seems very little street time, given your rowdy setup.
The main benefits are that it allows the user to pull timing when nitrous is used. This way you can tune your PCM to have the maximum amount of timing on a 'motor' setting. As soon as the nitrous system is activated, the Timing Tuner pulls timing out of the motor to compensate for your nitrous. The amount of timing pulled out is determined by the input from the tuner.
The second main benefit is that has a built-in window switch. This keeps one from having to buy both an MSD Window Switch and the Timing Tuner.
The main benefits are that it allows the user to pull timing when nitrous is used. This way you can tune your PCM to have the maximum amount of timing on a 'motor' setting. As soon as the nitrous system is activated, the Timing Tuner pulls timing out of the motor to compensate for your nitrous. The amount of timing pulled out is determined by the input from the tuner.
The second main benefit is that has a built-in window switch. This keeps one from having to buy both an MSD Window Switch and the Timing Tuner.
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I've been reading a lot about them lately. I may be interested in buying one for the car but don't realy know what are the benefits are and what it will do to help my steup. Would anyone care to explain to me what the features are and how it can help me.
Thanks...
Thanks...
ALSO, the timing tuner has a nitrous delay of up to .8 seconds. You floor it and the timing gets retarded (if you want) and the solenoids dont open for any where from .1 to .8 seconds...nice on a sloppy track. You can also add timing on motor (either above a certain rpm or all over the place).
I like mine.
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Mike, funny you say that, im putting one in my car as we speek!!
im doing it for street driving, but i have heard of them failing, so i will use it bass acwards!
i will have my computer tuned to run N2), then tap the TT to advance my timing when on the street. when i get to the track i will compleatly disconect the TT and run off my file. not sure if it makes since to you, but i'll let you know if it works.
im doing it for street driving, but i have heard of them failing, so i will use it bass acwards!
i will have my computer tuned to run N2), then tap the TT to advance my timing when on the street. when i get to the track i will compleatly disconect the TT and run off my file. not sure if it makes since to you, but i'll let you know if it works.
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Is there any way to just switch PCM profiles on the fly? Even if you’re willing to have a small computer in the car?
I would love to be able to just switch from a N20 tune to a NA tune on the fly.
I would love to be able to just switch from a N20 tune to a NA tune on the fly.
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Thanks for the info guys! I'm really interested in it because of its delay feature. I'm thinking with a 400 shot coming on immediately off the trans brake... I might need some sort of delay to allow the car to get up on the tire first or I'll just end up blazing the tires. What do ya's think?
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Mike: I have heard in some cases they are not reliable. Personally I would not recommend one to a customer as of yet. I am not saying it's a bad product but too many 'incidents' for us to be comfortable.
If you are looking for a delay, why not use a progressive controller? If you did a 2 stage setup you could even use the controller to launch at xxx amount of juice and then apply the full 400 maybe 1.2/1.3 seconds down the track (Around the 60'?). We're doing an application like this for a customer right now, I'd be happy to let you know how it turns out.
If you are looking for a delay, why not use a progressive controller? If you did a 2 stage setup you could even use the controller to launch at xxx amount of juice and then apply the full 400 maybe 1.2/1.3 seconds down the track (Around the 60'?). We're doing an application like this for a customer right now, I'd be happy to let you know how it turns out.
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Matt,
from what I have been reading the timing tuners are not reliable (yet) so you are right. I don't think I want to gamble on running something that's not 100%. I'm kind of skeptical on using any kind of progessive because I know first hand, they are very tough on the solenoids. Ive seen them fail and cause engine damage.
from what I have been reading the timing tuners are not reliable (yet) so you are right. I don't think I want to gamble on running something that's not 100%. I'm kind of skeptical on using any kind of progessive because I know first hand, they are very tough on the solenoids. Ive seen them fail and cause engine damage.
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Matt,
from what I have been reading the timing tuners are not reliable (yet) so you are right. I don't think I want to gamble on running something that's not 100%. I'm kind of skeptical on using any kind of progessive because I know first hand, they are very tough on the solenoids. Ive seen them fail and cause engine damage.
from what I have been reading the timing tuners are not reliable (yet) so you are right. I don't think I want to gamble on running something that's not 100%. I'm kind of skeptical on using any kind of progessive because I know first hand, they are very tough on the solenoids. Ive seen them fail and cause engine damage.
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Are they not "reliable" as far as pulling timing, or the delay feature? Or both?
I wish I knew. All I've read, and I stress read (because I have no first hand experience with it) that the timing tuner wasn't reliable.
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From: East Side Performance! mASShole
Mike, that is also what East Side said, they have seen them go bad. thats why im using it for street driving, and just advancing my timming when it isnt inportaint. if it doesnt add timming, the car just wont be as fast NA. but when i get to the track it will be unpluged compleatly and run like it is now
Mike,
The first timing tuners that came out I did not care for.We just recently started carring the new version.I do not have any at hand expeirence with them.However I have not had any customers complain about them.As for the nitrous controllers.You are right they are a little harder on the solenoids.However the Maximizer is the best unit on the market.As long as you are running top quality solenoids such as the NX solenoids.There is no reason to worry.Just like with everything else machanical just check maintnence every now and then.We have sold and installed alot of maximizers every one that runs them loves it.I will be spraying a 400 shot on my newest set up.Im using the maximizer also.The features are great for someone like us spraying large shots.It has a built in window switch,TPS switch,time delay,ramp speed,it moniters o2s for lean conditions,and measures between shift points.It does not controll timing.The only thing on the market for timing is the timing tuner.
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The first timing tuners that came out I did not care for.We just recently started carring the new version.I do not have any at hand expeirence with them.However I have not had any customers complain about them.As for the nitrous controllers.You are right they are a little harder on the solenoids.However the Maximizer is the best unit on the market.As long as you are running top quality solenoids such as the NX solenoids.There is no reason to worry.Just like with everything else machanical just check maintnence every now and then.We have sold and installed alot of maximizers every one that runs them loves it.I will be spraying a 400 shot on my newest set up.Im using the maximizer also.The features are great for someone like us spraying large shots.It has a built in window switch,TPS switch,time delay,ramp speed,it moniters o2s for lean conditions,and measures between shift points.It does not controll timing.The only thing on the market for timing is the timing tuner.
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What version is the good one??? I have the 1.1....? Dang is everything I bought and put on junk???? I just found out my heads are paperweights now also.
I am half into my TT install also. I can't figure out how to test fire the solonoids without running the car at the required RPM... I guess you don't know until you hit it...? Is there a way?
I am half into my TT install also. I can't figure out how to test fire the solonoids without running the car at the required RPM... I guess you don't know until you hit it...? Is there a way?