Thoughts on Cold Fusion Bottle Opener(discussion)
02-09-2005, 01:35 PM
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I have always believed that should be a crime to call a solenoid a remote bottle valve 
. But I have seen a 12-18hp loss on the 150 shot. Surging issues on larger power levels. On the smaller shots I am sure it would not hurt near as much and for the money hmmmm?
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. But I have seen a 12-18hp loss on the 150 shot. Surging issues on larger power levels. On the smaller shots I am sure it would not hurt near as much and for the money hmmmm? Ricky
02-09-2005, 10:40 PM
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We dyno tested the remote opener and for the record there was "0" HP loss. I do not know what you used in your testing but clearly its not one of our openers. Please test the product before passing judgement on a product you personally have no knowledge of RICKY!!!!!Furthermore, I will gladly provide the dyno results...A safety valve needs to open and close fast. With a valve style opener if you need it to close it happens instantly. For the record, I would rather sell a product that will prevent engine damage than one that take 4-6 seconds to close meen while your picking up your engine parts off the ground.
02-09-2005, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NXRICKY
I have always believed that should be a crime to call a solenoid a remote bottle valve . But I have seen a 12-18hp loss on the 150 shot. Surging issues on larger power levels. On the smaller shots I am sure it would not hurt near as much and for the money hmmmm?
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. But I have seen a 12-18hp loss on the 150 shot. Surging issues on larger power levels. On the smaller shots I am sure it would not hurt near as much and for the money hmmmm? Ricky
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We dyno tested the remote opener and for the record there was "0" HP loss. I do not know what you used in your testing but clearly its not one of our openers. Please test the product before passing judgement on a product you personally have no knowledge of RICKY!!!!!Furthermore, I will gladly provide the dyno results...A safety valve needs to open and close fast. With a valve style opener if you need it to close it happens instantly. For the record, I would rather sell a product that will prevent engine damage than one that take 4-6 seconds to close meen while your picking up your engine parts off the ground.
So I have a few questions
What power level did yall test at?
I am confused is your prodcut a safety vavle or a remote bottle valve?
How does your valve prevent engine damage?
4-6 seconds whats that?.
Correct me if I am wrong doesn't all caps mean your yelling at me, whats up?
And I do have complete Knowledge on the part we tested.
No need for dyno sheets; can I purchase one of your opener directly from you or do I have to go throu a dealer. I'm cool with putting on the dyno, maybe this new solenoid is better then the old ones and for the money hmmmmm.
Ricky
02-09-2005, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NXRICKY
Woo now hang on there cowboy.. I re-read my post and no where in there do I mention I tested your product nor did I pass any judgement. I simply stated on our tests we notice a hp loss and surging issues on bigger hp levels. In fact for the money hmm was meant as a not bad thing, I have to think about stuff like that.
So I have a few questions
What power level did yall test at?--100hp, 150hp & 200hp
I am confused is your prodcut a safety vavle or a remote bottle valve? either or. the valve closes instantly when power is cut off. so, it can be used as a safety devise in the event you need to cut off nitrous supply.
How does your valve prevent engine damage? as stated in previous answer.
4-6 seconds whats that?. the time it takes a valve style opener to completely close the bottle valve.
Correct me if I am wrong doesn't all caps mean your yelling at me, whats up?not yelling. did not notice the caps was on.
And I do have complete Knowledge on the part we tested.
No need for dyno sheets; can I purchase one of your opener directly from you or do I have to go throu a dealer. I'm cool with putting on the dyno, maybe this new solenoid is better then the old ones and for the money hmmmmm. your welcome to purchase oneof ours from a dealer or direct. Also, you can purchase one from Edlebrock since its the exact same.
Ricky
So I have a few questions
What power level did yall test at?--100hp, 150hp & 200hp
I am confused is your prodcut a safety vavle or a remote bottle valve? either or. the valve closes instantly when power is cut off. so, it can be used as a safety devise in the event you need to cut off nitrous supply.
How does your valve prevent engine damage? as stated in previous answer.
4-6 seconds whats that?. the time it takes a valve style opener to completely close the bottle valve.
Correct me if I am wrong doesn't all caps mean your yelling at me, whats up?not yelling. did not notice the caps was on.
And I do have complete Knowledge on the part we tested.
No need for dyno sheets; can I purchase one of your opener directly from you or do I have to go throu a dealer. I'm cool with putting on the dyno, maybe this new solenoid is better then the old ones and for the money hmmmmm. your welcome to purchase oneof ours from a dealer or direct. Also, you can purchase one from Edlebrock since its the exact same.
Ricky
What power level did yall test at?--100hp, 150hp & 200hp
I am confused is your prodcut a safety vavle or a remote bottle valve? either or. the valve closes instantly when power is cut off. so, it can be used as a safety devise in the event you need to cut off nitrous supply.
How does your valve prevent engine damage? as stated in previous answer.
4-6 seconds whats that?. the time it takes a valve style opener to completely close the bottle valve.
Correct me if I am wrong doesn't all caps mean your yelling at me, whats up?not yelling. did not notice the caps was on.
And I do have complete Knowledge on the part we tested.
No need for dyno sheets; can I purchase one of your opener directly from you or do I have to go throu a dealer. I'm cool with putting on the dyno, maybe this new solenoid is better then the old ones and for the money hmmmmm. your welcome to purchase oneof ours from a dealer or direct. Also, you can purchase one from Edlebrock since its the exact same.
02-09-2005, 11:31 PM
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OK... So for the guy running the 100-125 shot, would the noid system be a good choice?
Pro's and Con's I see for both..
NX ----------------- CF
Pro: Looks Trick! Pro: Quick Close
Con:Slow reaction, Con: Possible power losses??(questionable),
bottle mounting limitations(due to how far it protrudes
Personally I am leaning towards the noid based opener...
It gets the job done, and it's cheaper too..
I would like to see some "Dynotune" representation in here too.
I still need more info on these setups to make a decision..
Dyno sheets, Vids, R&D notes..etc..whatever.
There's nothing wrong with people who stand behind their product
Pro's and Con's I see for both..
NX ----------------- CF
Pro: Looks Trick! Pro: Quick Close
Con:Slow reaction, Con: Possible power losses??(questionable),
bottle mounting limitations(due to how far it protrudes
Personally I am leaning towards the noid based opener...
It gets the job done, and it's cheaper too..
I would like to see some "Dynotune" representation in here too.
I still need more info on these setups to make a decision..
Dyno sheets, Vids, R&D notes..etc..whatever.
There's nothing wrong with people who stand behind their product
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02-10-2005, 11:28 AM
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RedLT4Mike,
Thanks for asking for us! I would not have a problem using the solonoid opener that Cold Fusion, Edelbrock or we sell for that matter. Though it cant compare to the best one on the market
http://www.speedshop.org/store/scrip...p?idproduct=16
Surging, HP loss is typically only seen when you use a solenoid opener like the NOS brand that has a small orifice opening and was not manufactured for this purpose. Not sure they still sell it. The Cold Fusion, Edelbrock, Dynotune solenoid style opener does not surge or result in a HP loss because the solenoid has a 1/4" orifice amongst other features! I just checked out the details on Cold Fusions web page and they have some additional info that may be helpful.
Summary and since you did mention Cold Fusion first - I would not have a problem buying their product.
Dean
Thanks for asking for us! I would not have a problem using the solonoid opener that Cold Fusion, Edelbrock or we sell for that matter. Though it cant compare to the best one on the market
http://www.speedshop.org/store/scrip...p?idproduct=16Surging, HP loss is typically only seen when you use a solenoid opener like the NOS brand that has a small orifice opening and was not manufactured for this purpose. Not sure they still sell it. The Cold Fusion, Edelbrock, Dynotune solenoid style opener does not surge or result in a HP loss because the solenoid has a 1/4" orifice amongst other features! I just checked out the details on Cold Fusions web page and they have some additional info that may be helpful.
Summary and since you did mention Cold Fusion first - I would not have a problem buying their product.
Dean
02-11-2005, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DynotuneN2O
RedLT4Mike,
Thanks for asking for us! I would not have a problem using the solonoid opener that Cold Fusion, Edelbrock or we sell for that matter. Though it cant compare to the best one on the market http://www.speedshop.org/store/scrip...p?idproduct=16
Surging, HP loss is typically only seen when you use a solenoid opener like the NOS brand that has a small orifice opening and was not manufactured for this purpose. Not sure they still sell it. The Cold Fusion, Edelbrock, Dynotune solenoid style opener does not surge or result in a HP loss because the solenoid has a 1/4" orifice amongst other features! I just checked out the details on Cold Fusions web page and they have some additional info that may be helpful.
Summary and since you did mention Cold Fusion first - I would not have a problem buying their product.
Dean
Thanks for asking for us! I would not have a problem using the solonoid opener that Cold Fusion, Edelbrock or we sell for that matter. Though it cant compare to the best one on the market
http://www.speedshop.org/store/scrip...p?idproduct=16Surging, HP loss is typically only seen when you use a solenoid opener like the NOS brand that has a small orifice opening and was not manufactured for this purpose. Not sure they still sell it. The Cold Fusion, Edelbrock, Dynotune solenoid style opener does not surge or result in a HP loss because the solenoid has a 1/4" orifice amongst other features! I just checked out the details on Cold Fusions web page and they have some additional info that may be helpful.
Summary and since you did mention Cold Fusion first - I would not have a problem buying their product.
Dean
Thanks.
02-11-2005, 08:54 AM
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not to be a ***, just stating the obvious.
the 'noids are what cuts the nitrous instantly.
the bottle VALVE is what keeps the supply closed when the car is off, you're away, whatever...
noids fail
seals leak
valves are 10 times more reliable.
you want it to cut off in a instant? use a a noid
you want to be able to open and close the bottle remotely, TURN THE VALVE.
just my take on the obvious.
the 'noids are what cuts the nitrous instantly.
the bottle VALVE is what keeps the supply closed when the car is off, you're away, whatever...
noids fail
seals leak
valves are 10 times more reliable.
you want it to cut off in a instant? use a a noid
you want to be able to open and close the bottle remotely, TURN THE VALVE.
just my take on the obvious.
02-11-2005, 09:03 AM
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Hey Mike please feel free to defend your products as anyone should but havent you learned by now what getting an attitude will get you on this site? I use a 10# TNT bottle and I would rather have to modify the NX "remote bottle opener"
(which I had to do) which is a proven design and doesnt look like crap(like the noid versions do in my opinion) than use a noid version that in the past has been proven to cause a loss in HP and cause a surging affect. Now the one you have may not have any of those problems but there are some that do and that may make your look bad to soem people!
(which I had to do) which is a proven design and doesnt look like crap(like the noid versions do in my opinion) than use a noid version that in the past has been proven to cause a loss in HP and cause a surging affect. Now the one you have may not have any of those problems but there are some that do and that may make your look bad to soem people!
02-11-2005, 10:34 PM
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Here's one of them there valves. It's a different brand (industrial) but does'nt get hot and is a third line of defense on n20 bleed (reduant n2o noids). I leave bottle mech valve open all the time (couple years) and anytime I start car 12v switched ign allows instant open, allways ready. One more thing to add, I don't think it looks bad at all.
02-14-2005, 08:12 AM
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Well I am still not sold on using a solenoid as a bottle opener. If that were the case then we could just let the solenoids underneath our hood hold the nitrous back all the time an never have to worry.
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I'm assuming that the noid style opener is electrically held open. If this is true what keeps the noid from burning up? if not can how does it work? just curious.
02-14-2005, 12:01 PM
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The noid we tested in the past only used power to open. The noid has a latching point. Power one way piston lifted and lockedin. reverse the switch power would release and the piston would close.
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