N2O in a Car Wreck
04-01-2005, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharpe
Will having an N2O bottle in your back seat/trunk increase the danger of explosion/fire in the event of a car wreck?
04-01-2005, 10:18 PM
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I knew that N20 was non-flammable, but I still wasn't sure that it wouldn't react the same in a car fire as fire in the cylinders.
So, if the bottle gets hit really hard, say if you dropped it off an overpass, or shot it with a gun, it won't blow up, right? But, what if you threw it in a fire?
The N2O helps pack more oxygen into the cylinders, therefore allowing a bigger explosion, right? But, it's the gasoline (or whatever), oxygen, and the spark that are exploding; N2O just makes that explosion bigger, right?
So, if that were true, if you sprayed it in a fire, wouldn't it make it bigger?
So, I ask again, in the case of a car wreck, does an N2O bottle directly increase the chance of danger?
So, if the bottle gets hit really hard, say if you dropped it off an overpass, or shot it with a gun, it won't blow up, right? But, what if you threw it in a fire?
The N2O helps pack more oxygen into the cylinders, therefore allowing a bigger explosion, right? But, it's the gasoline (or whatever), oxygen, and the spark that are exploding; N2O just makes that explosion bigger, right?
So, if that were true, if you sprayed it in a fire, wouldn't it make it bigger?
So, I ask again, in the case of a car wreck, does an N2O bottle directly increase the chance of danger?
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04-01-2005, 10:38 PM
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My biggest concern would be that the bottle itself is mounted sufficiently well enough to prevent it from becoming a projectile easily capable of crushing your skull......
04-01-2005, 10:51 PM
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if you throw your bottle in a fire, or your car is burning to the ground, it could blow up if the blowoff fitting fails. I don't think much would happen if you dropped it off an over pass except it might dent the bottle or if it landed on the valve, it could break and expell all the nitrous.
generally speaking, if you're in a wreck bad enough for your bottle to become an issue, you have much worse problems. make sure your bottle is securely mounted so it doesn't become a projectile like X-ZZ4 said.
generally speaking, if you're in a wreck bad enough for your bottle to become an issue, you have much worse problems. make sure your bottle is securely mounted so it doesn't become a projectile like X-ZZ4 said.
04-01-2005, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharpe
So, if that were true, if you sprayed it in a fire, wouldn't it make it bigger?
04-01-2005, 11:14 PM
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Nitrous in non flamable owever it is under HIGH pressure. this could make it explode (not fire type explode) under very high temperature or contact (fire or hard contract) thus making it send shrapnel sp? at a very high rate which I am sure could kill you or cause a lot of pain.
04-01-2005, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Magic Chicken
if you throw your bottle in a fire, or your car is burning to the ground, it could blow up if the blowoff fitting fails.
Originally Posted by Magic Chicken
generally speaking, if you're in a wreck bad enough for your bottle to become an issue, you have much worse problems.
Originally Posted by sleepersilverado
i get a lighter and the N2O bottle out and people freek out. next time i will heve to spray it on the fire.
Now that everyone has the "N2O IS NON-FLAMMABLE!!!11" stuff out of their system, let me make a statement:
I think an N20 bottle, when exposed to flame, becomes a bomb, and a car that is filled with N20 from a breached or leaking bottle is likely to super nova if introduced with even the smallest fire.
Why is that statement incorrect?
04-01-2005, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by yak
Nitrous in non flamable owever it is under HIGH pressure. this could make it explode (not fire type explode) under very high temperature or contact (fire or hard contract) thus making it send shrapnel sp? at a very high rate which I am sure could kill you or cause a lot of pain.
Looks like we will be reading about sleepersilverado in the Darwin Awards...
04-01-2005, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharpe
Meaning, if N2O escapes and interacts with the fire...
I think an N20 bottle, when exposed to flame, becomes a bomb, and a car that is filled with N20 from a breached or leaking bottle is likely to super nova if introduced with even the smallest fire.
Why is that statement incorrect?
I think an N20 bottle, when exposed to flame, becomes a bomb, and a car that is filled with N20 from a breached or leaking bottle is likely to super nova if introduced with even the smallest fire.
Why is that statement incorrect?
04-01-2005, 11:40 PM
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It would increase the available oxygen in the interior. This would help any fire that is burning to burn better/faster. So, though it won't burn directly, it will accelerate the combustion of anything that happens to be on fire in the area.
This should help.
http://www.inchem.org/documents/icsc/icsc/eics0067.htm
Or.
From here:
http://www.nda.ox.ac.uk/wfsa/html/u18/u1810_01.htm
This should help.
http://www.inchem.org/documents/icsc/icsc/eics0067.htm
Or.
Although N2O does not enter the biological oxidising processes, it is a powerful oxidant i.e. it strongly supports any combustion process. It is absolutely wrong to assume that it will prevent fires and explosions by dilution of oxygen. It is as effective as oxygen in producing explosive mixtures.
http://www.nda.ox.ac.uk/wfsa/html/u18/u1810_01.htm
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04-01-2005, 11:53 PM
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There is a LOT of misinformation in this thread.
Nitrous does not affect a fire until it reaches a specific temperature and it splits the elements apart. I want to say ~500*F.
Spraying a campfire, lighter, etc with nitrous will NOT accelerate it into a fiery blaze, except maybe a slight increase b/c of added oxygen. (almost negligible gains..)
Nitrous does not affect a fire until it reaches a specific temperature and it splits the elements apart. I want to say ~500*F.
Spraying a campfire, lighter, etc with nitrous will NOT accelerate it into a fiery blaze, except maybe a slight increase b/c of added oxygen. (almost negligible gains..)
04-02-2005, 12:08 AM
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Thanks for the links trackbird. The second was a bit too much for me tonight, but the first was bite-sized enough to swallow.
My statement seems to be standing as people have only provided information to support it rather than deny it.
My statement seems to be standing as people have only provided information to support it rather than deny it.
Originally Posted by Sharpe
I think an N20 bottle, when exposed to flame, becomes a bomb, and a car that is filled with N20 from a breached or leaking bottle is likely to super nova if introduced with even the smallest fire.
Why is that statement incorrect?
Why is that statement incorrect?
04-02-2005, 12:28 AM
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Sharpe, I was not talking about if the gas was released and interacted with the fire. I was talking about bottle explosion due to pressure if the burst disc failed and did not blow off.
How about this, if you're that afraid of nitrous, don't use it. If you're prone to car wrecks, don't use it. For that matter, if you're prone to car wrecks, don't drive. Are you worried about your gas tank exploding if you get in a wreck? You have a much better chance of that happening than a nitrous related casualty due to a wreck. Or if you want, wear a fire suit and a kevlar vest and helmet and get a fire suppression system for your car in the EXTREMELY UNLIKELY event that your nitrous bottle blows up or makes an already blazing inferno even worse. But if it came down to that, you're freaking dead anyway without nitrous so who cares!
Just my opinion.
How about this, if you're that afraid of nitrous, don't use it. If you're prone to car wrecks, don't use it. For that matter, if you're prone to car wrecks, don't drive. Are you worried about your gas tank exploding if you get in a wreck? You have a much better chance of that happening than a nitrous related casualty due to a wreck. Or if you want, wear a fire suit and a kevlar vest and helmet and get a fire suppression system for your car in the EXTREMELY UNLIKELY event that your nitrous bottle blows up or makes an already blazing inferno even worse. But if it came down to that, you're freaking dead anyway without nitrous so who cares!
Just my opinion.
04-02-2005, 12:40 AM
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ok, i may be wrong here. I know that the nitrous can not ignite, but if it sits inside of a fire, wouldn't the pressure in the bottle build up until the bottle explodes sending pieces all over. This is assuming of course you don't have a blow down tube. I could be way off with this since I am new to the nitrous scene. Just wondering, Fire would cause the gas inside the bottle to expand till it had now where else to go and if there is no relief valve then that bottle would have to blow right???