This guy has no clue!!!
08-12-2005, 09:09 PM
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You'd be suprized how much it would cost to do it right...not taking about building a bomb,A Cert'd chassis with BSIII and direct dry port and all the rest needed to do it right would be in the 50K or more range....
It adds up quick
3K BSII
4K Driect port and plumed intake/tb
3K fuel system
Chassis Cert'd for 8.50's 20K
Trans 5K
Verter 1K
Engine 15K
Your at 51,000 and still need odds and ends...
It adds up quick
3K BSII
4K Driect port and plumed intake/tb
3K fuel system
Chassis Cert'd for 8.50's 20K
Trans 5K
Verter 1K
Engine 15K
Your at 51,000 and still need odds and ends...
08-12-2005, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JS
You'd be suprized how much it would cost to do it right...not taking about building a bomb,A Cert'd chassis with BSIII and direct dry port and all the rest needed to do it right would be in the 50K or more range....
It adds up quick
3K BSII
4K Driect port and plumed intake/tb
3K fuel system
Chassis Cert'd for 8.50's 20K
Trans 5K
Verter 1K
Engine 15K
Your at 51,000 and still need odds and ends...
It adds up quick
3K BSII
4K Driect port and plumed intake/tb
3K fuel system
Chassis Cert'd for 8.50's 20K
Trans 5K
Verter 1K
Engine 15K
Your at 51,000 and still need odds and ends...
Getting my bs3 for under 2k. List is only 2400.
Fuels system is okay, trans is high, verter is low, etc.
But you get my point...
08-12-2005, 11:03 PM
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If its possible to make a 3100lb car run a mid 9 sec pass with stock heads and bottom end...185 shot directport..another half second wouldnt be as hard as you think.
08-12-2005, 11:47 PM
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Sam, are you and Josh taking his car to the Thunder Shoot Out this year?
Originally Posted by Sam88Gta1
If its possible to make a 3100lb car run a mid 9 sec pass with stock heads and bottom end...185 shot directport..another half second wouldnt be as hard as you think.
08-13-2005, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Elite_Hot_Rod
Sam, are you and Josh taking his car to the Thunder Shoot Out this year?
Sean's car will be there.
08-13-2005, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JS
Believe me I gave round prices,U would spend 50 to 60K building a good car thats reliable and safe.....Anyone can build a bomb,I'm into a quality built car so for me 60K would do it right...
08-14-2005, 12:24 AM
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Hell I hit 7.5s with pepboy street tires all motor, looking to hit 6's with a good tire (or 2) and spray..full weight camaro with no problems at all...oh and stock 10 bolt. Wait, we are talking about 1/8 here right?
08-14-2005, 10:50 AM
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Back to the basics, 346cubic inches,with a nitrous set-up is not easy. A lot has to be done in order to break 9's, and remember that after every possible bolt-on, a shitload of weight reduction, internal engine work(so your car can hold together),supension work up the you now what,etc...etc...etc...
No way is it easy, or cheap. Any car that is built right, is going to cost money, AND THATS THE WAY THE COOKIE CRUMBLES
Kudos to all that have broken 9's with 346cu.inches
No way is it easy, or cheap. Any car that is built right, is going to cost money, AND THATS THE WAY THE COOKIE CRUMBLES
Kudos to all that have broken 9's with 346cu.inches
08-14-2005, 12:02 PM
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everything looks good on paper.
hell, you build me a motor that runs strong, and doesnt lift heads, and holds together. I'll Buy it.
lets see you make 800 rwhp in a 346, i will but it for what you put in it if it is proven.
B-Man, you see the work going into yours, and we are looking for 10'S!!!
hell, you build me a motor that runs strong, and doesnt lift heads, and holds together. I'll Buy it.
lets see you make 800 rwhp in a 346, i will but it for what you put in it if it is proven.
B-Man, you see the work going into yours, and we are looking for 10'S!!!
08-14-2005, 05:24 PM
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ARE figured-out how to build mid-8 second LS1 N2O motors years ago, and you can apply the same techniques to a 346: 9/16" ARP heads studs via drilled/tapped block, O-rings/receiver grooves, all with a CI 422.
Can you build a 346 using a C5R block? If yes, it would be even stronger. But in the final analysis, you're asking a lot from a street car motor.
Can you build a 346 using a C5R block? If yes, it would be even stronger. But in the final analysis, you're asking a lot from a street car motor.
Originally Posted by Noyzee
build me a motor that runs strong, and doesnt lift heads, and holds together.
08-15-2005, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bickelfirebird
ARE figured-out how to build mid-8 second LS1 N2O motors years ago, and you can apply the same techniques to a 346: 9/16" ARP heads studs via drilled/tapped block, O-rings/receiver grooves, all with a CI 422.
Can you build a 346 using a C5R block? If yes, it would be even stronger. But in the final analysis, you're asking a lot from a street car motor.
Can you build a 346 using a C5R block? If yes, it would be even stronger. But in the final analysis, you're asking a lot from a street car motor.
08-15-2005, 08:25 AM
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I have total confidence that Kurt at W2W can build a reliable 346 N2O motor that will run 9s, all day and all year, in a 3500-3700 F-Body.
08-15-2005, 08:41 AM
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9's isnt so much the issue, its going faster then that, my car has been in the 9's on the same motor for 2 seasons, but im looking to go faster, and im having some small issues. im jetting it up slowly and we'll see what happens.
im sure if you talk to Kurt @ w2w he will tell you the N2O side of LS1's isnt easy, and the turbo stuff is more ls1 frendly.
i do think ESP was on the right track with there shop car, but the time wasnt there for them to get it done. but if the time/ money comes my way, i think im going to try it. we'll see
im sure if you talk to Kurt @ w2w he will tell you the N2O side of LS1's isnt easy, and the turbo stuff is more ls1 frendly.
i do think ESP was on the right track with there shop car, but the time wasnt there for them to get it done. but if the time/ money comes my way, i think im going to try it. we'll see
08-15-2005, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Noyzee
I notice most of the people saying it is easy are people with no LS1 or a slower ls1.
no offence to anyone, but run the number, then come back and tell me it is easy..
no offence to anyone, but run the number, then come back and tell me it is easy..
Originally Posted by me
Sngle digits are'nt easy any way even with a big block. Umm driveline upgrades, Umm suspension upgrades, of course tub/mini tub... etc...
Since you cant tune an air car nor an air guitar it sure leaves alot of hard work to get to that point..
08-15-2005, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by chrdij
Hell I hit 7.5s with pepboy street tires all motor, looking to hit 6's with a good tire (or 2) and spray..full weight camaro with no problems at all...oh and stock 10 bolt. Wait, we are talking about 1/8 here right?
08-15-2005, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by V8_DSM_V8again
I have a ls1.. Ok just many parts needed to build one... Aa for saying it was easy.. I did'nt...
I did say that with the right electronic technology combined with the right fuel and N20 systems it could potentially be a walk in the park to tune...
Since you cant tune an air car nor an air guitar it sure leaves alot of hard work to get to that point..
I did say that with the right electronic technology combined with the right fuel and N20 systems it could potentially be a walk in the park to tune...
Since you cant tune an air car nor an air guitar it sure leaves alot of hard work to get to that point..
I like that. you cant race an air car either. LOL
and my first statment you quoted, that wasnt directed toward anyone in general.
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I'm still interested on how fast a build up that was hard would be? I don't consider the actual labor portion of builds as hard due to the fact I love working on my car, but I don't have deep pockets so the money and knowledge of putting components together to work properly is where the hard part lies. And yes, when the price tag goes up over 5 digits things become hard.
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Originally Posted by Anniversary "Z"
I'm still interested on how fast a build up that was hard would be? I don't consider the actual labor portion of builds as hard due to the fact I love working on my car, but I don't have deep pockets so the money and knowledge of putting components together to work properly is where the hard part lies. And yes, when the price tag goes up over 5 digits things become hard.
