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Old Oct 29, 2006 | 10:03 AM
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Yeah what is the optimal bottle pressure? What are the affects of having it to low or to high?
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Old Oct 29, 2006 | 10:09 AM
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you pretty much want it at least over 900, but i usually don't spray the car unless it is at least 950. i like to keep mine at 1000- 1050 since it tends to drop 100psi or so throught the run.

too low= won't get the full effect of the shot. too high= solenoids won't open after i believe 1200psi, or so i've heard.
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Old Oct 29, 2006 | 10:28 AM
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Well you need to set it according to the manufacture. TNT 900psi, NOS 950, NX 1050 and so on. The jetting tables that each company uses is based upon these pressures, so just randomly deciding to go with what pressure is not a good idea. That is with wet kits, now a dry hit, you can increase bottle pressure for a larger hit, as the MAF can vary the a/f accordingly, but the wet hit can not because of a the static non adjustable fuel jet.
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Old Oct 29, 2006 | 12:20 PM
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Thanks for the help guys. Also, if I have a nx bottle heater, and I turn it on, will it automatically turn off when the bottle pressure gets to high?
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Old Oct 29, 2006 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by blackls6
Thanks for the help guys. Also, if I have a nx bottle heater, and I turn it on, will it automatically turn off when the bottle pressure gets to high?
As long as its wired right
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Old Oct 29, 2006 | 05:20 PM
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I was spraying a 100 dry shot last week and logging data. First two sprays were around 950 and my PE was set to 11.7 AFR (was getting an actual 11.0 or so during spray). No KR and everything was fantastic.

Next day I did the same shot and saw some false KR at the end of the shot, Pressure was probably 990-1000 or so. Later in the day I changed the PE to 12.5 (from 11.7) hoping to get an actual 11.8 and the bottle pressure was 1030, the shot felt great but I logged 4 degrees KR the entire shot. I got an actual 11.5 AFR during the spray.

So I have to wonder, was it the bottle pressure that caused the KR or the fact I was a tad leaner in PE, or maybe a combination of them both?

I am learning bottle pressure and tune are important variables the casual sprayer should consider.
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Old Oct 30, 2006 | 07:50 AM
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you could stand to go a little leaner i think, i shoot for low 12's
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Originally Posted by Beer99C5
I was spraying a 100 dry shot last week and logging data. First two sprays were around 950 and my PE was set to 11.7 AFR (was getting an actual 11.0 or so during spray). No KR and everything was fantastic.

Next day I did the same shot and saw some false KR at the end of the shot, Pressure was probably 990-1000 or so. Later in the day I changed the PE to 12.5 (from 11.7) hoping to get an actual 11.8 and the bottle pressure was 1030, the shot felt great but I logged 4 degrees KR the entire shot. I got an actual 11.5 AFR during the spray.

So I have to wonder, was it the bottle pressure that caused the KR or the fact I was a tad leaner in PE, or maybe a combination of them both?

I am learning bottle pressure and tune are important variables the casual sprayer should consider.
I would say just a combo from your changes. glad you caught your KR. Sounds like your getting it down though.
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Wet kit need to be set to manufacture recomendations unlesss you got extra fuel jets to play with or you can adjust fuel pressure accordingly.
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Originally Posted by 98redorangeta
Wet kit need to be set to manufacture recomendations unlesss you got extra fuel jets to play with or you can adjust fuel pressure accordingly.
Be carefull changing your fuel pressure. That will through your tune off in many areas.
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Old Oct 30, 2006 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert56@NitrousDirect
Be carefull changing your fuel pressure. That will through your tune off in many areas.
Robert
Good call Robert I was thinking more along the lines of a stand alone set up probably should have said that
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 10:31 PM
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ok- i understand that you have to have it at the pressure the mfg. reccomends. so my question is how do you combat the pressure drop-off during the run? or should it not drop if the bottle is properly heated?
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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sleeperstyle
ok- i understand that you have to have it at the pressure the mfg. reccomends. so my question is how do you combat the pressure drop-off during the run? or should it not drop if the bottle is properly heated?
Depends on the shot size and how much pressure drop. Some guys running single 10lb bottles only make one run per bottle, but thier hits are big. I choose to run dual 15lb'ers for less pressure drop and less changing of bottles. I also choose to run with out transducers so as to be able to start the heating cycle when I want/need, rather than waiting till bottle falls 150 psi.
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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 11:16 AM
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Another way to combat pressure drop is to start at a lower bottle pressure and compensate with a larger jet to end up with the same over all flow. Although this requires some tunning and is really only used in certain classes where they limit the size and number of bottles you can run. I've also had people do it when they are trying to run Bonnevile, but again adding another bottle is much easier.
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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 11:35 AM
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Here's my cure, dual 15's.

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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 02:06 PM
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here's a bump and a question.

is the pressure rating per the noids flow or nozzle requirements?
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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 02:35 PM
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It's mostly a combo of things. Each company uses a n2o to fuel ratio concerning their jetting, then they choose a working bottle pressure which they deem correct. So, it's really a mathmatical equation. Then if you change fuel pressure or nitrous pressure you throw everything out of kilter. Now all rules are off if your custom tuning from a new choosen bottle pressure.

On the dry hits, what I do rather than changing jets, if I want a bigger HP hit, I just up the bottle pressure and a/f will stay relative making it much easier to upsize during racing. Try that with your wet hits and you'll go leaner.
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