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Old 12-20-2006, 10:17 AM
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its a 6sp. car. And its the NOS kit for his car. Its the one with 2 nozzles that mount to the side of the lid.
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Originally Posted by Taubr Unit
its a 6sp. car. And its the NOS kit for his car. Its the one with 2 nozzles that mount to the side of the lid.
Letting off the gas between shifts creates very high vacuum in the intake manifold that can easily pull combustion into the intake port either from cam overlap, or from faulty valve/seat sealing.
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so what are you supposed to do about that? Isnt every 6sp car doing that.
Old 12-20-2006, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet

All nitrous systems require knowing your tune up.

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Amen to that.
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Originally Posted by Taubr Unit
so what are you supposed to do about that? Isnt every 6sp car doing that.
I think the rule has always been "never lift"

It may be a case of just normal wear/tear of springs getting weak or the valve guides having some slop.
I'd look over things to check for signs of problems starting with the sparkplugs.
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Originally Posted by Taubr Unit
its a 6sp. car. And its the NOS kit for his car. Its the one with 2 nozzles that mount to the side of the lid.
The 5177 has a tendancy to run lean with stock air box and suggested nozzle location.
Are you running an aftermarket oiled filter like a K & N?
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yes, its a ls1 motorsport lid w/ k&n filter and smooth bellows as well.
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Originally Posted by Taubr Unit
yes, its a ls1 motorsport lid w/ k&n filter and smooth bellows as well.
The oil from the filter can get on the MAF wires and cause poor readings, prob needs a cleaning.
So, it may be a combo of two things, lean from the get go, then additional leaness from a dirty MAF. Also, lifting can create a nasty lean spike, as I have logged this mucho, don't lift so much. The nozzles work better, and give a safer/correct a/f if mounted in the neck. Clean the maf wires, then get a wb reading.

Here's what may have happened. Because a severe lean condition, detonation began. Then this created a hot spot. The hot spot will remain hot even after clyinder is finished firing. Then, because of reversion, you have a certain amount of gas vapour in the intake. So now you have an ignition source at the wrong time, like the next time the clyinder with hot spot opens the valve on the intake stroke it has a source to ignite residule gases in the intake. Then the resulting back fire.

You really need to do some diagnostics ie: logging/tuning for a/f, kr and inject DC. Check your plugs for missing electrodes, this can be the hot spot, amongst other places.
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cool, thanks robert. Ill tell him to go on here and read this post. He hasnt really done anything to his car in some time. Threw in some plugs a while back and just ran it. Ill have him read this and he can do his thing then. Thanks man!
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Originally Posted by Beer99C5
Unfortunately now one can reply to a robert56 post of "name one person who had an issue with a dry backfire through the intake"...
HAHAHA, that is great.


Originally Posted by Robert56@NitrousDirect
It goes more like this "Try to find someone who has hurt their motor running a dry hit, good luck."
I believe it was when I was at Virginia Speed getting my car dynoed a guy was spraying 150 dry shot on stock everything with a few bolt ons and blew something.
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Well, if his car didn't have injectors up to the task of supplying enough fuel for both the spray AND the "bolt ons" then that's not the fault of the nitrous.
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thats true, but he has been running this kit for years with no problems so im not blaming it on the nitrous. Im actually not blaiming it on anything so chill out. Just wondering WHY so he can fix the problem.



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