715 Rwhp Stock Bottom End Ws6
07-02-2007, 08:54 PM
#81
Originally Posted by H&C 99Z
I work for JBA and the dyno runs are real as I saw them with my own eyes. The bottle pressure was at 1200+psi and CJ is coming back on Thursday for more dyno pulls where he will take out his jets after the dyno pulls.
I have seen TNT kits rated at 150 put down 190rwhp with 1000psi. So at 1200+ it for sure could make more power. Also on the dyno pulls prior to this his AFR was in the low 11's and this time they were in the 12's. I am not saying anything more than the car does have the stock bottom end and it did make 715rwhp & 757rwtq on the dyno.
We also had a 427ci Vette that put down 520rwhp and he normally makes 550rwhp so maybe our dyno is reading low.
CJ's key is only spraying to 6200 on the stock bottom end.
Dustin at JBA
I have seen TNT kits rated at 150 put down 190rwhp with 1000psi. So at 1200+ it for sure could make more power. Also on the dyno pulls prior to this his AFR was in the low 11's and this time they were in the 12's. I am not saying anything more than the car does have the stock bottom end and it did make 715rwhp & 757rwtq on the dyno.
We also had a 427ci Vette that put down 520rwhp and he normally makes 550rwhp so maybe our dyno is reading low.
CJ's key is only spraying to 6200 on the stock bottom end.
Dustin at JBA
the dyno run didnt even sound like 700rwhp much less have the setup for it.only way he made those numbers is A: it was dual 150 shots,ie 150 through each nozzle
B:your dyno isnt even close to accurate
either way i wouldnt even post on here something like that.
07-02-2007, 08:56 PM
#82
Originally Posted by ATVracr
Are you serious?
Glad your not working on or tuning my car
Glad your not working on or tuning my car
We have done NO work on CJ's car. He has his own tuner and we just put his car on the dyno to see what it does. He also had 550lbs in the hatch area with the car strapped down so we would get NO wheelspin.
Dustin
07-02-2007, 08:58 PM
#83
Originally Posted by ddnspider
yeah im sure your dyno is reading low the dyno run didnt even sound like 700rwhp much less have the setup for it.only way he made those numbers is
A: it was dual 150 shots,ie 150 through each nozzle
B:your dyno isnt even close to accurate
either way i wouldnt even post on here something like that.
the dyno run didnt even sound like 700rwhp much less have the setup for it.only way he made those numbers is A: it was dual 150 shots,ie 150 through each nozzle
B:your dyno isnt even close to accurate
either way i wouldnt even post on here something like that.
320-330 was the average for the 98-02's we had on the dyno. I cannot tell you about his nitrous pills just that the car did do 715rwhp and 757rwtq.
Dustin
07-02-2007, 09:02 PM
#84
Originally Posted by H&C 99Z
We have done NO work on CJ's car. He has his own tuner and we just put his car on the dyno to see what it does. He also had 550lbs in the hatch area with the car strapped down so we would get NO wheelspin.
Dustin
Dustin
So you guys are like... ya its a good idea to hit your stock motor wit a 300 shot @ 1200 psi bottle pressure (talk about a lean spike
)As long as you have 50lbs. in the trunk so it doesnt spin 
Way to come on here and back up his BS claims
07-02-2007, 09:20 PM
#86
Originally Posted by ATVracr
So you guys are like... ya its a good idea to hit your stock motor wit a 300 shot @ 1200 psi bottle pressure (talk about a lean spike )As long as you have 50lbs. in the trunk so it doesnt spin
Way to come on here and back up his BS claims
)As long as you have 50lbs. in the trunk so it doesnt spin Way to come on here and back up his BS claims
Funny stuff man. the car does not sound like 600 let alone 700 rwhp. both our cars are way more violent on the dyno hell both us in the back(600lbs) and 4 straps including the axle strapps pulling straight down wouldn't hold any more than 730. this dyno is not a loaded dyno and the pull takes to long for that low of an rpm. my last pull on a dyno jet took a little over 1 second to 7500.
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07-02-2007, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by H&C 99Z
CJ's key is only spraying to 6200 on the stock bottom end.
Dustin at JBA
Dustin at JBA
How about the reason he didnt damage it is because his dyno pull was only about 2.5 second with very little load. Likleyhood of damage or detonation with the use of nitrous is always greatest at peak Tq. This is why people run dual stages and progressive controllers. Adding rpm has the effect of reducing cylinder pressure...hence the large drop in TQ with rpm. The cylinder pressure is greater from 5800-6200 than it would be from 6200-6600. Likleyhood of damage would be greater at the lower rpm.
If the dyno was accurate...and he was making 700+ rwhp and 750+ rwtq on 93 octane...I am willing to bet money that thing would not make it down the track in one piece. And it has little to do with reving it to 6200 or lower.
This whole thread is just rediculous
07-02-2007, 09:33 PM
#88
Originally Posted by ATVracr
So you guys are like... ya its a good idea to hit your stock motor wit a 300 shot @ 1200 psi bottle pressure (talk about a lean spike )As long as you have 50lbs. in the trunk so it doesnt spin
Way to come on here and back up his BS claims
)As long as you have 50lbs. in the trunk so it doesnt spin Way to come on here and back up his BS claims
I am just telling you what I saw and the numbers he put down.
Catch you later..
07-02-2007, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
So you think the reason he didnt destroy his motor is becuase hes only reving to 6200??
How about the reason he didnt damage it is because his dyno pull was only about 2.5 second with very little load. Likleyhood of damage or detonation with the use of nitrous is always greatest at peak Tq. This is why people run dual stages and progressive controllers. Adding rpm has the effect of reducing cylinder pressure...hence the large drop in TQ with rpm. The cylinder pressure is greater from 5800-6200 than it would be from 6200-6600. Likleyhood of damage would be greater at the lower rpm.
If the dyno was accurate...and he was making 700+ rwhp and 750+ rwtq on 93 octane...I am willing to bet money that thing would not make it down the track in one piece. And it has little to do with reving it to 6200 or lower.
This whole thread is just rediculous
How about the reason he didnt damage it is because his dyno pull was only about 2.5 second with very little load. Likleyhood of damage or detonation with the use of nitrous is always greatest at peak Tq. This is why people run dual stages and progressive controllers. Adding rpm has the effect of reducing cylinder pressure...hence the large drop in TQ with rpm. The cylinder pressure is greater from 5800-6200 than it would be from 6200-6600. Likleyhood of damage would be greater at the lower rpm.
If the dyno was accurate...and he was making 700+ rwhp and 750+ rwtq on 93 octane...I am willing to bet money that thing would not make it down the track in one piece. And it has little to do with reving it to 6200 or lower.
This whole thread is just rediculous
07-02-2007, 09:52 PM
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Rather you made the power with only a 150shot or not the bottom end is a time bomb. I can't beleive it made that power and stayed together reguadless of the shot if its a stock bottom end. Congrats if its all legit
07-02-2007, 09:59 PM
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FWIW, I've heard a lot about this car, it's local to me and although I haven't seen it personally it is supposed to be legit.
Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
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Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
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07-02-2007, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BriancWS6
Have you guys noticed all the people backing him up just joined?
07-02-2007, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by H&C 99Z
I am with you on the part that he might not make it down the 1/4 as his pull was for 1-3 seconds. The point I was making on the 6200 is rod bolts usually dont fail at 6200 or under.
Thats true. Everyone thinks the added pressure of the nitrous has an affect on rod bolts. Rod bolt failures are purely related to rpm and the top of the exhaust stroke. Tons of juice has little affect on rod bolts. Rods yea....rod bolts...no.
07-02-2007, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BayAreaSS
I think some of you guys are taking this way to serious....its just dyno numbers 
Not really....IMO its sending the wrong message to think its cool when you get 150 more HP that intended.
As I said before...a well set up kit is one that will give you the HP you INTENDED to get. If I intend to get a 275 shot than by god I will put the 275 pills in it. And If I put in the 150 jets then I better be around 150.
07-02-2007, 10:50 PM
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TNT for the win! Hmmm nice gains man! My car made 451whp/555tq with a 100shot @ like at 850-900psi and I am only bolt ons, running SUUUPER RICH almost dying on me after a run, so maybe they leaned it out and gained major power.