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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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does anybody have any screen shots of wideband AFR error in histogram tables on WOT runs.
what error do u guys shoot for? I shoot for -9% with AFR set @11.92. any ideas? I shoot for 0% in N/A mode.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 06:33 PM
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does anybody have any screen shots of wideband AFR error in histogram tables on WOT runs.
what error do u guys shoot for? I shoot for -9% with AFR set @11.92. any ideas? I shoot for 0% in N/A mode.
I was just trying this last weekend to get my HPT to log the WB AFR error, but to no avail?
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 06:53 PM
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Is the difference between Commanded AFR and WB indicated AFR?

Or is it actual WB error? If WB error, how to you determine the error other than say comparing to say a Dyno WB at the same time?
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Is the difference between Commanded AFR and WB indicated AFR?

Or is it actual WB error? If WB error, how to you determine the error other than say comparing to say a Dyno WB at the same time?
That's just it, my WB is about a point richer compared to the dyno tail pipe sniffer.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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Id go by the wideband f the tail pipe sniffer
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 10:47 AM
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Is the difference between Commanded AFR and WB indicated AFR?

Or is it actual WB error? If WB error, how to you determine the error other than say comparing to say a Dyno WB at the same time?
Commanded is what the PE table is set at. AFR error is how far it is off of that figure in percent. To get that error u have to log it in the histogram but will have to be set up to log that error. Hope that make sense!
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Commanded is what the PE table is set at. AFR error is how far it is off of that figure in percent. To get that error u have to log it in the histogram but will have to be set up to log that error. Hope that make sense!
Yep, I plot Commanded AFR vs Actual WB AFR, I will make a calc PID and convert it to Error and see what I come up with. I have some dry and wet shot logs I can play with.

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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 08:14 PM
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Yep, I plot Commanded AFR vs Actual WB AFR, I will make a calc PID and convert it to Error and see what I come up with. I have some dry and wet shot logs I can play with.

just make sure scanner in HP Tuner matches Wideband or it will never be right.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 08:18 PM
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just make sure scanner in HP Tuner matches Wideband or it will never be right.
Beer has EFI Live, if that matters?
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 08:22 PM
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Commanded is what the PE table is set at. AFR error is how far it is off of that figure in percent. To get that error u have to log it in the histogram but will have to be set up to log that error. Hope that make sense!
Now for those that are running Dry hits, this will be way off. As this is the premis of a dry hit, to increase DC over n/a, so your going to get a richer than commanded a/f, but we want that. i will have to think about how, or if we can get a formula that would take this into consideration and still give a error that makes sense. But would still be a benifit for our n/a concerns.
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Just load the afr pid in you histograms and you can see what afr your wideband is seeing on the shot. No need for error % if you are just interested in what it was during your run.
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Just load the afr pid in you histograms and you can see what afr your wideband is seeing on the shot. No need for error % if you are just interested in what it was during your run.
Correct. I am just wondering if there is a mathmatical equation that could give us some additional insight into how a dry hit can or is performing. I am thinking there is a ratio of error compared to n/a error that may tell us something like the efficancy of a particular dry hit compared to another. don't have time to mess with it right now, but hope i remember to mess with it later as i love to do this type of challenge, and have actually come up with a few equations for this type of situation.
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