Talk about a hijacked thread...
I hate thoes Google ads too, how annoying.

 

Original link to thread in question: https://ls1tech.com/forums/user-support-resources/842687-google-ads.html

 

looks like they heard us

 

Please tell me this is going to stop now...

If a vendor/moderator does not know ANYTHING about how a product works, they should not be speaking for it, they should not be sending people answers on "how they think it works" either...even if its under their "super secret personal name". And more importantly if they are not aware of how a PCM functions, they should definately not be posting concerning it. This is absolutely un-called for and in my opinion un-professional. I guess its kind of ironic that both posted the same MIS-information...hmmm interesting. And the sad part is both of them saw this thread!!

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....&postcount=108

http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread...34#post9455734
Pretty sure we all know who chopstix is Ray@NitrousOutlet...

If you guys are gonna keep this crap up, I'll be sure to change my whole outlook on how my employees post in all open forums. Maybe then we can both be slimeballs.

 

https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-oxide/838100-hsw-plate-kit-action.html

Come on Nick, remember its ok to bash our products as long as you say "hear say".........

 

Nick...I had not seen the first post you listed....I talk to many different people and was just asking the source. I am wanting to understand how the product works, that is why I asked the question. I posted over there trying to avoid the drama but I see that didn't work.

I will apologize for asking questions about a product I don't know about, but then how would anyone learn about a product.

 

Damn Nick.. This web forum was built off of technical information. I see nothing wrong with anyone including my guys asking how something works? Ease up alittle and get the chip off your shoulders.

We are tired of all the argueing...
Dave

 

if you guys are "really" interested in how a product works than why wouldnt you PM one of us for the info?? why post in an open forum?? it allmost seems like your hoping something happens and we slip up and make a mistake on either saying something or what have you to make yourself look good.
if you guys are honestly curious on how something works and have questions...PM us and leave it off the the threads. despite the conflicts between us i think we can all be gentleman about things and disscuss things in an orderly fashion. just my .02cents.

 

What makes us posting in the open forum to ask how something works any different than a pm? Isnt that what a tech forum is for?

 

well when your constantly accused of stealing designs, customers, and whatever else you think we do...its a little hard to remove that chip. for the most part Nick doesnt post up much but when someone bashes his product he will defend himself. we dont troll in your threads and ask questions and try to pick apart your products so why do it to us??

 

but then how would anyone else read the answer...I thought that was the reason for tech threads. Open discusion for anyone to read.

I wasn't trolling your threads...I was the first person to answer the OP on LS2....HSW replied and then I asked a question. It was not meant to bash or pick apart your product, it was only for clarification/understanding.

 

LOL...Nick..dont assume anything. I have never spoken to Ray. It appears he and I came to the same questions or potential problems seperately. Maybe there is a reason for that? Possibly the info given by you guys so far isnt complete?

See my reply on that thread.

Your posts leave alot to be desired IMO on the actual function of some things. I have noticed in the past you guys are short in answering questions. I dont know if thats on purpose or just because you are so busy you dont have time to type lenghty answers.
On my question...no one is conspiring....it is a legitimate question. If I need to pull 12-14-18 degrees of timing..am I going to be able to do that with the Interface. Not unless I get someone to tune it with HP tuners or smething. People should be aware of that IMO.

And the issue with the artifically advancing the timing NA so it can be pulled may be important ifo to some as well.

IMO we have to know this stuff dont you think? It doesnt change the product at all and I was not bashing it. I just want a perfectly clear understanding of what its going to do for the people who will buy it. I gurentee you that the timing portion of that would have dissapointed a few consumers...Not that they couldnt get around it by having HP tuners or paying a tuner to make the changes...but the information up till now has not covered every aspect.

As far as sending you a PM directly to you asking the questions....that still doesnt get all the detials of the operation of a product out for all to read. Thats the point of MY post anyways. We are having a discussion in the other thread about EXACLTY how your timing portion of the interface will work for potential buyers.
Trust me...the more the consumer knows the better.

I did not bash...and still am not bashing. My post is technical in nature and was done as gingerly as possible because I figured you might think something was up.

Its just a simple matter of trying to get a grip of exactly what the dang thing will do and how it affects the car. Detials ya know? We have always been detail oriented here at LS1tech. You know that.

That is the exact reason for my post. To get to the exact details of the operation of your interface so that its operation would no longer be in question. Look at it as your oportunity to get the correct details out there.

 

We have discussed at lenght about Harris stilling designs and ideas from us in the past. I dont care to guy there now.
This discusion has nothing to do with that. My guys are not bashing any products of yours. Ray was simply asking how it works. Whats wrong with just answering the questions and moving on?
Dave

 

How about you stealing the concept of injecting nitrous into an internal combustion engine? Are you an "unmoral" piece of **** for that as well???

 

Exactly...that's why the majority of my posts are directed to exactly that...technical. Do a search under my name and that's what mostly will pop up...technical...its not a giant sleazy sales pitch.

Now here's the difference w/ technical questions...you guys ASSUME how something works and then post your ASSUMPTION!! Rick@HSW nailed this one exactly! Its like a little game for you guys...Never once have I jumped in a thread started by you and started asking "technical questions" about your product. Come on, we both know its not right. The consumers on this board are very smart, and I think you're insulting them by attempting these petty games.

I'm just 100% sick and tired of all this crap. If you want it to stop so BADLY, why do you guys persist even after threads like this? I'm done...simply not worth my time.

 

I'd like to say something from a customer stand point. I'm a customer of both HSW and Nitro Dave's, and I must say that all this bickering in threads really makes me think twice about where I should make my future purchases. Isn't there a forum where just sponsors can communicate with each other? There really isn't any need for us as customers to have to wade through all the bickering and bs in order to get good technical info on the products we want to use. I agree that it would be nice for each company to know how other products work. Because like me, there are lots of other members here who mix and match products from different companys, and it would be great if everybody could just work together for the greater good.

 

Anthony we appologize, You are absolutly correct and we will move this thread to the proper area. There is obviously a big problem with the business tactics of some sponsers and we can take that up else where. This thread should have never even been started in the nitrous section. Again we appologize to everyone.

 

Nick. Maybe you should re read that thread. Ray was posting in there with TECHNICAL information. Your guys do what they always do and come in with BUY THIS and a link... Well Where is the technical side to go with it? How do we know it will do what it was suggested to do? There was no technical info explaining how it works therefore we dont know.. So Ray asked How it works so he can see if it will actually do what the guys was asking to accomplish. Pretty cut and dry. NO problems should have ever came of it. It was a simple questions that deserved a simple answer.

Now all the BS aside. CAN WE GET AN ANSWER!!!!!
Dave

 

It should have never been started period!!!!

Im having a difficult time here understanding why it ever was.. What ever happen to just having technical discussions so all understand how something works and there are no gray areas..

Come on guys this is a tech board. We are suppose the be able to discuss things with out all the BS.

I am not going to sit here and argue over something so childish. My guys nor myself will be replying to this thread any longer.
Dave

 

They do? Hmm, just doing a search I'd say that some of the most tech posts come from Nick@HSW. Your below statement is not even true, in some applications the Interface can pull that much timing out of the box, The Interface is not just limited to F-Bodies or Y-Bodies, it can be used on a wide range of platforms.

Here's my question to you, in the past multiple parties have said that you don't need to pull any timing if the timing table is stock up to a 150 shot. On a modified vehicle or a vehicle that has a tune with the timing advanced in 90% of the time timing is not pushed past 30 degrees (on a LS1). Our Interface controller can easily pull enough timing to bring it back down to stock timing for a 150, 175, or a 200 shot. Need to spray more then that? No problem, you can have the IAT table set up to pull what ever you need. If anyone thinks that they can spray more then a 200 shot with just pulling some timing has a big surprise in store for them, at that point it takes a lot more then just pulling some timing.

Matt