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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 02:00 PM
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Can I use a regular Wet Plate to distribute 2 stages dry? Are Fuel and Spray sides machined the same? Just curious if its possible-
I am thinking a nitrousoutlet plate with 2 N2O noids mounted on the plate would be pretty clean for a 2 stage 150 per
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 02:18 PM
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Sure that would probaly work. However, why not just use the Dry plate kit which was designed for a dry hit and has the only 360° pattern for best distribution? actually we could quad stage the dry dry plate., a tee at the inlet fitting and a noid on either side. Jetting would be done at the noid itself, so each noid controlls how much spray then combined at entrance point. some one will be doing it soon. also getting the real dry kit would also include the Interface for fueling control.
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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How would you use the interface for mulitiple stages? Progressives are out for me in the class I am in, so I am looking into stages-
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 03:06 PM
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When spraying we have a wide range of a/f we can use. depending upon the over all size of shot you plan it's actually really easy. lets say we are going to run a 200 hit in two stages. So we set the Interface to command an a/f ratio of 11.5:1 upon activation of stage one @ 150hp, then when 2nd stage of an additional 50hp comes on the a/f ratio simply changes to 11.7:1. so very simple and well with a a safe range on the a/f ratio and the difference of .2 in the ratio is really null. So just some trial and error for what you want to do, but really it's easy. basically said, you set the a/f for your combined hit, and it will just run slightly richer in stage one. Logging is the key here and you can set your starting a/f to exactly what you want. there is a dual stage controller coming so we will be able to be more exact and cover the bigger hits which may have a larger, and thus harder to dial in, spread on the a/f ratio. I am running the Interface and 3-stages, though doing it different than what i have said above, many ways to skin the cat.
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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You should always use a kit how it was designed. if your looking for a dry 2 stage call up dave and have him build /flow you one. the wet side is designed to atomize fuel not evenly spray nitrous. Yes it "should" work ok but if you want to do it right get a kit desgined for dual dry.
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Old Sep 7, 2008 | 02:01 AM
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why not just run two interfaces,or is it not possible.
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Old Sep 7, 2008 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bigdog
why not just run two interfaces,or is it not possible.
I have though about this but haven't done it. I believe Mike at HSW may be running two on his DP dry and Dry plate set up? My thinking was, which would be the dominate controller and/or would it work that way, more of a question for the engineer, which I believe to be Nick at HSW. With the dual stage Interface coming out I would think that it is better to run a single for now? If you do have dave build one an Interface will still be the best bet for fueling as is any dry kit/hit. However, i would stay with the masters of the Dry and they certainly build all the cutting edge dry kits out there-HSW-and they have mucho more experiance in the dry realm than any other company.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fstphx
Can I use a regular Wet Plate to distribute 2 stages dry? Are Fuel and Spray sides machined the same? Just curious if its possible-
I am thinking a nitrousoutlet plate with 2 N2O noids mounted on the plate would be pretty clean for a 2 stage 150 per
I am not a fan of the device you would need in order to use our plate in that method with out having a after market system or Coss 5 however yes our plate will flow nitrous out both sides with no problem..

There is no sceinece to introducing Nitrous only into the intake manafoold. The cylinders are going to pull the mixture in in a manner you can not controll any more than our plate distributes it.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Thanks for posting up as always Dave- After reading this post and a couple others from tonight, a light-bulb kind of turned on.
I'll stick with the small dry stages pre-Maf (mostly for the street, and off the line) and the big shot Wet (DP if I can figure out the $$)
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 09:23 PM
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The interface will make your dry shots extremely easy to tune. Been on the market for quite some time now and have not seen any problems with it. Thats from people who actually purchased and used it, not someone saying there not a fan having never tested it.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike@HSW
The interface will make your dry shots extremely easy to tune. Been on the market for quite some time now and have not seen any problems with it. Thats from people who actually purchased and used it, not someone saying there not a fan having never tested it.

really, not one problem?
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Originally Posted by Mike@HSW
The interface will make your dry shots extremely easy to tune. Been on the market for quite some time now and have not seen any problems with it. Thats from people who actually purchased and used it, not someone saying there not a fan having never tested it.

For what I want to do, the interface would defeat my favorite part of a dry hit-
if I spray the traditional way, it doesn't matter if my pressure drops... The Maf will take care of it- in a perfect world of consistant temps, pressures, and bottomless N2O bottles, it would be great though-
The interface kind of turns a dry kit into a wet kit, only it acts as the fuel jet-
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by algws6
really, not one problem?
That probably doesn't factor in people who aren't smart enough to properly install a weather pac connector. Or the people who have screwed up MAF's and refuse to admit it.
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike@HSW
The interface will make your dry shots extremely easy to tune. Been on the market for quite some time now and have not seen any problems with it. Thats from people who actually purchased and used it, not someone saying there not a fan having never tested it.
Sounds like some people are jealous of your Interface and other devices that you actually create and bring to market rather than relabel and call it your own.
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by myfast70
Sounds like some people are jealous of your Interface and other devices that you actually create and bring to market rather than relabel and call it your own.
Yea it never ceases to amaze me at the gall of some. hell, i hate the guys guts, but i still tell guys about using his halo with the interface. That's the difference though, i am here to help regardless... Don't get me started, as I am ready to let loose with mucho, and there is nothing more he can do to me. again shitting on another thread with egotistical BS. I am unsubscribing to this thread, sorry to the original poster. Does no one that matters ever see this continual unprofessional conduct.

Last item, i would reconsider the Interface even for a before the MAF dry hit. Why, chances are that you will not get the exact a/f by placing the nozzles in a fixed location. Trust me on this, I have been doing the dry in every way possible since the dry started, and the Interface is the revolution that dry users have been looking for. If ya want any additional info you can pm me as i would be glad to help in any way you choose to go.
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 01:24 AM
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Thanks Robert... I really appreciate you badmouthing the guy, that has brought more to this Nitrous forum than any other sponsor or member, in my thread- He came here and answered the question I had-
I also now know all I need to about the interface... you have taken it upon yourself to pimp it to no end

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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by algws6
really, not one problem?
Sorry I will rephrase, not one problem from a properly installed unit.
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by fstphx
For what I want to do, the interface would defeat my favorite part of a dry hit-
if I spray the traditional way, it doesn't matter if my pressure drops... The Maf will take care of it- in a perfect world of consistant temps, pressures, and bottomless N2O bottles, it would be great though-
The interface kind of turns a dry kit into a wet kit, only it acts as the fuel jet-
For consistency purposes its important to still maintain bottle pressure. Whats the use in jetting for a 150 shot and getting a 50 shot because your bottle pressure is low. You said you run in a particular class right? I would imagine you do focus on consistent bottle pressure otherwise your runs will be all over the place
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Originally Posted by jmill96Z
That probably doesn't factor in people who aren't smart enough to properly install a weather pac connector. Or the people who have screwed up MAF's and refuse to admit it.
ignorance is bliss.
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike@HSW
Sorry I will rephrase, not one problem from a properly installed unit.
thats funny because i have recieved several pm's about people having problems with this unit. you realy want to get into this again? rember there isn't a mod to protect you. too bad people doing a search cann't see all the interface posts since the negative ones were deleted by an ex-mod.

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