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Mike I think If you were to get a good run in you could be in the 10's. I ran 11.4 with a 3650lb pig and I didn't have the tire I needed or as much power as you. If I cut 500lbs like you have on me and I were to be able to get my 60ft down another .05 that would be atleast another tenth or two then I ran out of gear and I had to shift into 5th gear. I know it's all excuses but I don't feel I was far from it and I think you were even closer.
) and still couldn't run better than a 10teen. I wish I had a dollar for every racer that approached me the year before and said, "if you go to Woodburn you'd be in the 10's" lol... The car will get there sooner or later. Besides, if it were easy to hit 10's N/A in a stick car, then everybody would be doing it and the appeal wouldn't be as sweet. 
BTW, got your voicemail. I give you a call soon.
Mike
Last edited by Mikey 97Z M6; Apr 15, 2011 at 11:46 AM.
Your right on the money there Mike- If 10's were the norm N/A we'd all be shooting for 9's.
Who want's to pay what these things cost in money and time to be average?
We all want to be the "ELITE" but have to race within our means.
For most of us (with wife's anyway) that means stock bottom-end N/A 346's.
Good new's is that combo is insanely fun when set up right.
I "know" their won't be any 10's for me this year, but I WILL get just close enough to really **** me off enough to push hard next year and MAKE it!
Your car is a BEAST already with 370 forged cubes and L92 square port heads.
I spent alot of time researching my combo (As I know you did yours to) and believe that I will fall into a Volumetric efficiency "Sweet Spot" with my H/C/I combo on the 346 LS6.
(i.e.- it will run like a raped Ape!)
Is it a cost effective way to go? -
NO (Turbo car would be much faster and cheaper!)
Is it the Max power output combo I do with an LS motor for the money? -
NO (Yours is closer to being that)
I chose this combo because so few guys ARE able to make 10's with stock bottom-end N.A. M6
that becomes a worthy challenge that I will eventually achieve.
Who want's to pay what these things cost in money and time to be average?
We all want to be the "ELITE" but have to race within our means.
For most of us (with wife's anyway) that means stock bottom-end N/A 346's.
Good new's is that combo is insanely fun when set up right.
I "know" their won't be any 10's for me this year, but I WILL get just close enough to really **** me off enough to push hard next year and MAKE it!
Your car is a BEAST already with 370 forged cubes and L92 square port heads.
I spent alot of time researching my combo (As I know you did yours to) and believe that I will fall into a Volumetric efficiency "Sweet Spot" with my H/C/I combo on the 346 LS6.
(i.e.- it will run like a raped Ape!)
Is it a cost effective way to go? -
NO (Turbo car would be much faster and cheaper!)
Is it the Max power output combo I do with an LS motor for the money? -
NO (Yours is closer to being that)
I chose this combo because so few guys ARE able to make 10's with stock bottom-end N.A. M6
that becomes a worthy challenge that I will eventually achieve.
They're only excuses if they're not true lol... I could write a book on why I haven't got there yet, namely PIR being such a poorly prepped track. I think some of the guys up north experienced that first hand last weekend. One guy normally runs 9's and clearly had the power (142mph traps ) and still couldn't run better than a 10teen. I wish I had a dollar for every racer that approached me the year before and said, "if you go to Woodburn you'd be in the 10's" lol... The car will get there sooner or later. Besides, if it were easy to hit 10's N/A in a stick car, then everybody would be doing it and the appeal wouldn't be as sweet.
BTW, got your voicemail. I give you a call soon.
Mike
) and still couldn't run better than a 10teen. I wish I had a dollar for every racer that approached me the year before and said, "if you go to Woodburn you'd be in the 10's" lol... The car will get there sooner or later. Besides, if it were easy to hit 10's N/A in a stick car, then everybody would be doing it and the appeal wouldn't be as sweet. BTW, got your voicemail. I give you a call soon.
Mike
You may already know more about this than I
This thread was the basis for my build
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...tor-cam-s.html
I was thinking about what I wanted to build when I read this thread:
I got thinking about his 435 RWHP on not much more than a cam only LS1.
I thought "what would this thing do with one of the new FAST 102 manifolds, 40 lb. injectors, and a decent set of heads?".
figured this really would be a 500 R.W.H.P. stock bottom-end combo.
I bought a Crate LS6 for $3500 from Scoggins Dickey (all gone now guys), the LS6 has a half point more compression than the LS1 which I figured was worth 7-10 h.p. more than this guy had.
could always free up another 7-10 h.p. with a Mezziere ELP (Still on wish list).
Picked up the same Thunder Racing Raptor cam he had and some Crane springs.
My FAST 102 intake and 102 TB with 40 lb injectors would HAVE to be good for at least 15 more ponies than his LS6 intake with stock 28 lb. injectors (likely much more but I know to be conservative).
I bought the same Kook's 1'7/8th headers he had and figured that with some head work I would easily be at well over 480 RWHP and probably at 500.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...tor-cam-s.html
I was thinking about what I wanted to build when I read this thread:
I got thinking about his 435 RWHP on not much more than a cam only LS1.
I thought "what would this thing do with one of the new FAST 102 manifolds, 40 lb. injectors, and a decent set of heads?".
figured this really would be a 500 R.W.H.P. stock bottom-end combo.
I bought a Crate LS6 for $3500 from Scoggins Dickey (all gone now guys), the LS6 has a half point more compression than the LS1 which I figured was worth 7-10 h.p. more than this guy had.
could always free up another 7-10 h.p. with a Mezziere ELP (Still on wish list).
Picked up the same Thunder Racing Raptor cam he had and some Crane springs.
My FAST 102 intake and 102 TB with 40 lb injectors would HAVE to be good for at least 15 more ponies than his LS6 intake with stock 28 lb. injectors (likely much more but I know to be conservative).
I bought the same Kook's 1'7/8th headers he had and figured that with some head work I would easily be at well over 480 RWHP and probably at 500.
Last edited by etrnl_velocity; Apr 15, 2011 at 01:01 PM.
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This thread was the basis for my build
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...tor-cam-s.html
I was thinking about what I wanted to build when I read this thread:
I got thinking about his 435 RWHP on not much more than a cam only LS1.
I thought "what would this thing do with one of the new FAST 102 manifolds, 40 lb. injectors, and a decent set of heads?".
figured this really would be a 500 R.W.H.P. stock bottom-end combo.
I bought a Crate LS6 for $3500 from Scoggins Dickey (all gone now guys), the LS6 has a half point more compression than the LS1 which I figured was worth 7-10 h.p. more than this guy had.
could always free up another 7-10 h.p. with a Mezziere ELP (Still on wish list).
Picked up the same Thunder Racing Raptor cam he had and some Crane springs.
My FAST 102 intake and 102 TB with 40 lb injectors would HAVE to be good for at least 15 more ponies than his LS6 intake with stock 28 lb. injectors (likely much more but I know to be conservative).
I bought the same Kook's 1'7/8th headers he had and figured that with some head work I would easily be at well over 480 RWHP and probably at 500.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...tor-cam-s.html
I was thinking about what I wanted to build when I read this thread:
I got thinking about his 435 RWHP on not much more than a cam only LS1.
I thought "what would this thing do with one of the new FAST 102 manifolds, 40 lb. injectors, and a decent set of heads?".
figured this really would be a 500 R.W.H.P. stock bottom-end combo.
I bought a Crate LS6 for $3500 from Scoggins Dickey (all gone now guys), the LS6 has a half point more compression than the LS1 which I figured was worth 7-10 h.p. more than this guy had.
could always free up another 7-10 h.p. with a Mezziere ELP (Still on wish list).
Picked up the same Thunder Racing Raptor cam he had and some Crane springs.
My FAST 102 intake and 102 TB with 40 lb injectors would HAVE to be good for at least 15 more ponies than his LS6 intake with stock 28 lb. injectors (likely much more but I know to be conservative).
I bought the same Kook's 1'7/8th headers he had and figured that with some head work I would easily be at well over 480 RWHP and probably at 500.
What kind of ported heads were you thinking about going with?
Mike
I know exactly what you are talking about Mike. I was told when I bought my car that it should be able to run lower 12's with full bolt-on's suspension and sticky tires. NOT, I think I could only get a 13.2 out of it on street tires. Let alone I didn't adjust any of my suspension or remove the sway bar.
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Verdad Gallardo I would caution anybody on what they read on some of these threads. I'm not saying they're lieing, but some of these results are not what I would consider "typical" lol... I've been around these cars and forums for the better part of 12 years and if it's one thing I've learned is to avoid "internet logic" lol... People tend to get really hung up on a "number" and I've been there myself in the past. But the truth of it is, just because one guy got good numbers from a particular setup, does not mean anybody can get those same numbers. I guess what I'm really getting at is, it might be a good idea to use another car's combo as a starting point, but to expect the same results or even better results is a good way to set yourself up for disapointment. Don't get me wrong here, I really do hope you hit your hp mark and goals with the car. I just hate seeing guys get their hopes up for a particular hp number, only to be let down when it doesn't achieve those numbers.
What kind of ported heads were you thinking about going with?
Mike
What kind of ported heads were you thinking about going with?
Mike
I'm 44 years old and didn't fall off the truck yesterday (the day before, maybe
)His cam spec's were close enough that I figured that I was pretty much dealing with a known commodity.
Really couldn't care less what the Dyno or the Flowbench says, It's what the timeslip says that I care about.
The other numbers are simply imperfect tools to guage progress.
Still open on heads, Was stuck on Trick Flow 215's for awhile but $2,400 plus a required set of Yella Terra rocker's is pretty steep.
Looking at MAST, TEA, etc.
I have the stock LS6 243's with Crane springs for now.
Will most likely do something more exotic after build complete.
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Did I mention my brother has almost same setup on his 02 SS and puts down over 450 with AFR 205's?
I'm 44 years old and didn't fall off the truck yesterday (the day before, maybe)
His cam spec's were close enough that I figured that I was pretty much dealing with a known commodity.
Really couldn't care less what the Dyno or the Flowbench says, It's what the timeslip says that I care about.
The other numbers are simply imperfect tools to guage progress.
Still open on heads, Was stuck on Trick Flow 215's for awhile but $2,400 plus a required set of Yella Terra rocker's is pretty steep.
Looking at MAST, TEA, etc.
I have the stock LS6 243's with Crane springs for now.
Will most likely do something more exotic after build complete.
I'm 44 years old and didn't fall off the truck yesterday (the day before, maybe
)His cam spec's were close enough that I figured that I was pretty much dealing with a known commodity.
Really couldn't care less what the Dyno or the Flowbench says, It's what the timeslip says that I care about.
The other numbers are simply imperfect tools to guage progress.
Still open on heads, Was stuck on Trick Flow 215's for awhile but $2,400 plus a required set of Yella Terra rocker's is pretty steep.
Looking at MAST, TEA, etc.
I have the stock LS6 243's with Crane springs for now.
Will most likely do something more exotic after build complete.
You've mentioned your brothers car a couple times now. 450rwhp is much more common number for a h/c stock shortblock 346ci LS1/6 engine.
The Trickflow heads are def worth looking at for a cathedral port. People have been making some great numbers with them. Mast has some great heads, but I think they're tailored more for big cube engines...? Have you looked into Cartek by chance?
Mike
I didn't mean to imply you fell off the truck lol... If I did I appologize.
You've mentioned your brothers car a couple times now. 450rwhp is much more common number for a h/c stock shortblock 346ci LS1/6 engine.
The Trickflow heads are def worth looking at for a cathedral port. People have been making some great numbers with them. Mast has some great heads, but I think they're tailored more for big cube engines...? Have you looked into Cartek by chance?
Mike
You've mentioned your brothers car a couple times now. 450rwhp is much more common number for a h/c stock shortblock 346ci LS1/6 engine.
The Trickflow heads are def worth looking at for a cathedral port. People have been making some great numbers with them. Mast has some great heads, but I think they're tailored more for big cube engines...? Have you looked into Cartek by chance?
Mike
You didn't imply anything I didn't set myself up for
From what I wrote it might have sounded as though I spent $7500+ on a motor combo based on posted results from one thread.
I did learn about and choose that specific cam profile based on that thread, but would have built a similiar motor anyway.
500 R.W.H.P. is alot like my 10 sec. ET - A lofty goal that is possible but will take time, money, and effort.
I will be very pleased with 450 RWHP but will likely keep pushing for that last little bit.
Haven't heard of Cartek, I will look into them.
Hey mike how is Brandon going into 5th gear when 4.30's and the guy in this video has 4.56's stays in 4th?.. Is it Brandon rev limiter?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tzm2pk9-nY&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tzm2pk9-nY&sns=em
Hey mike how is Brandon going into 5th gear when 4.30's and the guy in this video has 4.56's stays in 4th?.. Is it Brandon rev limiter?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tzm2pk9-nY&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tzm2pk9-nY&sns=em
