wide band commander
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looks great; like a innovative but with a analog gauge add-on and rpm/tps hookup.
Lets face it widebands are commodity items. Everyone should have one. Hell i got an NTK and a LSU4 based one at home for tuning purposes (vw boosted cars mostly). But they make you a disbeliever in air fuel gauges once you've seen one in action.
nitrous without a wideband imo is just plain crazy
Lets face it widebands are commodity items. Everyone should have one. Hell i got an NTK and a LSU4 based one at home for tuning purposes (vw boosted cars mostly). But they make you a disbeliever in air fuel gauges once you've seen one in action.
nitrous without a wideband imo is just plain crazy
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the fjo is top notch stuff. I believe one of the tuners is adding 0-5V input to datalogging, which would allow you to use the output of the better widebands to be logged in (ie efilive).
This would be cool. 0-5V is more resolute than 0-1V imo.
I find the bosch lsu sensors are not as fast reacting, but the ntk-based ones are more "impulse" sensitive to exhaust. This can make it harder to tune at idle on a ntk based one since you get alot of spiking.
The dyno's that use bosch do a helluva lot of smoothing so the actual doesn't look like a saw blade, its due to the slow sample rate and the fact you don't want to see it.
me i'd rather see it...
This would be cool. 0-5V is more resolute than 0-1V imo.
I find the bosch lsu sensors are not as fast reacting, but the ntk-based ones are more "impulse" sensitive to exhaust. This can make it harder to tune at idle on a ntk based one since you get alot of spiking.
The dyno's that use bosch do a helluva lot of smoothing so the actual doesn't look like a saw blade, its due to the slow sample rate and the fact you don't want to see it.
me i'd rather see it...
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Originally Posted by samz28
the fjo is top notch stuff. I believe one of the tuners is adding 0-5V input to datalogging, which would allow you to use the output of the better widebands to be logged in (ie efilive).
This would be cool. 0-5V is more resolute than 0-1V imo.
This would be cool. 0-5V is more resolute than 0-1V imo.
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Originally Posted by samz28
the fjo is top notch stuff. I believe one of the tuners is adding 0-5V input to datalogging, which would allow you to use the output of the better widebands to be logged in (ie efilive).
This would be cool. 0-5V is more resolute than 0-1V imo.
I find the bosch lsu sensors are not as fast reacting, but the ntk-based ones are more "impulse" sensitive to exhaust. This can make it harder to tune at idle on a ntk based one since you get alot of spiking.
The dyno's that use bosch do a helluva lot of smoothing so the actual doesn't look like a saw blade, its due to the slow sample rate and the fact you don't want to see it.
me i'd rather see it...
This would be cool. 0-5V is more resolute than 0-1V imo.
I find the bosch lsu sensors are not as fast reacting, but the ntk-based ones are more "impulse" sensitive to exhaust. This can make it harder to tune at idle on a ntk based one since you get alot of spiking.
The dyno's that use bosch do a helluva lot of smoothing so the actual doesn't look like a saw blade, its due to the slow sample rate and the fact you don't want to see it.
me i'd rather see it...
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last time i checked the fjo was a ntk based sensor. They may have changed, i dunno. FJO has been around for quite a while.
bosch sensors are cheap like $17-50 (wholesale to retail), the ntk's are generally $100-200 each btw
bosch sensors are cheap like $17-50 (wholesale to retail), the ntk's are generally $100-200 each btw
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well considering the millions of cars running their primary lsu wideband on the road today (IE every DBW 1.8T VAG) in the world, its probable the price is low.
The NTK was used on a hybrid lean burn car, not so many sold.
The VW Bosch sensor is the $17 dealer cost. If you feel like torching it with leaded gas, no biggie, its less than a regular narrowband sensor lol.
power in numbers. GM uses them on cadillacs too
The NTK was used on a hybrid lean burn car, not so many sold.
The VW Bosch sensor is the $17 dealer cost. If you feel like torching it with leaded gas, no biggie, its less than a regular narrowband sensor lol.
power in numbers. GM uses them on cadillacs too
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Originally Posted by samz28
The VW Bosch sensor is the $17 dealer cost. If you feel like torching it with leaded gas, no biggie, its less than a regular narrowband sensor lol.
power in numbers. GM uses them on cadillacs too
power in numbers. GM uses them on cadillacs too
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Originally Posted by Drake
Anyone have a part number on that cheap wideband baby? Might be time for a new engineering project...
read up at www.wbo2.com
keep in mind the sensor is useless without a closed loop controller. It's a nernst cell ion pump. It will do nothing without a cpu or analog driver to keep it "focused" on the correct ratio.
simple words: The system determines air fuel by pumping (ions) of air in, the amount it must pump in is equal to the air fuel ratio. unlike a normal o2 sensor which is fixed at stoich, this one can change its "on" point using feedback and a closed loop to control the ion pump.
so no the $17 wholesale part won't do sheot without a box to drive it.