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Old Feb 1, 2014 | 05:14 PM
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I'm helping a friend tune his VE table but the car will not run with the MAF unplugged. Is this simply because the VE table is so far off or am I overlooking something? It will barely idle and the LTFT's are at around 20-25 at idle. Its a 2001 LS1 using HPtuners.
Its been awhile since I have done any tuning but I dont remember having this problem in SD mode.

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Old Feb 1, 2014 | 10:51 PM
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Does it throw a MAF DTC...?

If it does then the VE table is wrong.

If it does not then it is still trying to use the MAF.
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Old Feb 1, 2014 | 10:58 PM
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Email me your tune and I'll look at it and see if you over looked anything. Email is in sig below.
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Old Feb 2, 2014 | 04:52 PM
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I will send it to you tomorrow. Thanks!!
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 12:57 PM
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VE is way off if you get LTFTs that high. Tune that better and it will run without the MAF as long as it's throwing the MAF codes.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 01:32 PM
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Is the MAF 5 or 3 wire? If 5 the IAT is built into the MAF and would explain why. If it's that far off multiply the entire VE table by 20%????? It's what I would do then I would tune part throttle and see where my upper tables would be at but I'd have it a bit richer before going ***** out WOT tuning.


You can force SD without unplugging the MAF, right?
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 04:17 PM
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You can force SD without unplugging the MAF, right?
Yup, just fail it in the tune itself and bye bye MAF.
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A MAF DTC has to show up.
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it has a seperate IAT, doesnt throw a MAF code but I'm pretty sure the SES send is turned off. I will double check though. Thanks for the replies!!
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High trims can also be from false trimming and they
can compound a rich error (like, say, a low end of VE
table that still looks stock while he tossed a lumpy-
*** narrow separation cam in there). MAF is not as
easily fooled and may be contributing to not-totally-
bogus airflow readings when in the picture.
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I know on my car I can't select 3 for the MAF codes as the car won't run so I have to use option 2.
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Originally Posted by smit2732
it has a seperate IAT, doesnt throw a MAF code but I'm pretty sure the SES send is turned off. I will double check though. Thanks for the replies!!
You have to check with a scantool that a MAF DTC shows up immediately at startup...

without the MAF DTC, the PCM is still attempting to use the MAF.
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Old Feb 7, 2014 | 10:27 PM
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Thanks for the input guys. Hopefully I will have time to play with the tune over the next few weeks.
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 12:23 PM
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Thanks for the help guys!! I just looked at the tune and the MAF DTC's were set to option 3. I set them back to 1 and will try it again,
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Set them to 2 not 1 and google, "hptuners VE tuning PDF" click first result.
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