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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 08:39 AM
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I'm in the process of changing to the FTP 104mm lid. I have the Granatelli MAF that was on the car when I purchased it going to a FAST 92/92. My tuner mentioned that I may not be able to pass inspection without a MAF but the place I take it too doesn't even pop my hood.

Is an SD tune that much better? If I cant go that route do I need a different MAF? If so what does everyone recommend? I heard mixed reviews about the 104mm TSP MAF and Lingfelter MAF too.

What you guys think??
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 08:41 AM
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With your setup I would be thinking SD. No maf.
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I went with an SLP lid and a 102mm tube with 2 4" silicone couplings. Smooth transition from the lid's neck all the way to the TB. (I had a Fast92/NW 92 TB)

The OD of the SLP lid matched perfectly with the 4" couplings, tube, and TB neck.

I picked up 8/5 I think- same dyno. Pulls were literally 10 minutes apart. Same operating temp. Not A LOT but it was definitely more crisp after that; very noticeable especially at throttle tip in. It's not all about the numbers, but I noticed better driveability.

I say go for it and don't look back.
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 08:59 AM
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Post 46 shows what I did. Hell, the whole thread is pretty good, until page 4 I believe where I just started talking about how to get MORE power.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...0-420-a-3.html
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What about going with the MAF set up? Is it safe to say the SLP 85mm MAF is the best one if going that route?
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 12:29 PM
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Ditch the MAF with the Hellion. It's possible you'll get some intake reversion that could affect the MAF with a cam with that much overlap.
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
Ditch the MAF with the Hellion. It's possible you'll get some intake reversion that could affect the MAF with a cam with that much overlap.
Agreed x10.

Let the O2 sensors and the IAT do all the work.
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Originally Posted by dr_whigham
Agreed x10.

Let the O2 sensors and the IAT do all the work.
Looks like I wont be able to do it. Reason being is the car will always be throwing a DTC.
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Yeah. The MAF has to fail. You just set them to throw the code but no MIL light to come on. The MAF can't be removed from the PCM. It has to be failed. You can physically remove from your car, but it will always trigger a DTC. It doesn't do anything but revert you to Speed Density mode. No harm done.
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 04:49 PM
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You can fail the maf without the ses light or any dtc
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Can anyone recommend a better MAF to use over the Granatelli and where to buy it from?
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No MAF is better than a MAF. The TSP 100mm would offer no restriction. However, it requires a lot more tuning than a stock MAF and offers lower resolution.
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Originally Posted by scotty2000ss
Looks like I wont be able to do it. Reason being is the car will always be throwing a DTC.
Not if the tuner sets it to "no DTC reported"
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Old Oct 23, 2014 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by thunderstruck507
Not if the tuner sets it to "no DTC reported"
As mentioned, there has to be a Maf code to be in speed density.

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Originally Posted by MontecarloDrag
You can fail the maf without the ses light or any dtc
What? There has to be a maf code to be in speed density.

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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
No MAF is better than a MAF. The TSP 100mm would offer no restriction. However, it requires a lot more tuning than a stock MAF and offers lower resolution.
Looks like I'll just stick with the mafe I have then. I don't think my tuner will touch my car if I go with the 100mm one from TSP. Plus it's ALM which in theory is a heat sink.
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Originally Posted by Russ K
As mentioned, there has to be a Maf code to be in speed density.

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My mistake, I was under the impression there was a way around that.
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Originally Posted by scotty2000ss
Looks like I wont be able to do it. Reason being is the car will always be throwing a DTC.
Check to see if one Maf DTC is allowed to pass the emission test. As with your cam, a speed density tune is the best way to go. This is due to the low rpm reversion caused by your cam.

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Originally Posted by thunderstruck507
My mistake, I was under the impression there was a way around that.
No, as I said, the PCM has to see a MAF failure to revert to SD mode. But you can disable the SES for the DTC. For codes P0101, 102, and 103 set to no SES enabled.
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I have 102 all the way threw no maf, speed density make the throttle response amazing because it dosnt reley on the air reading to add the fuel its preset so fuel is there same time air is. idle is way better also
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