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Old Jul 1, 2004 | 09:27 AM
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is there anyting I can put inline with my crank position sensor to trick the computer to advance/reatard timing across the entire rpm range? ie a capacitor / resistor / inductor?- if so - what size for various degrees of timing? thanks
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is there anyting I can put inline with my crank position sensor to trick the computer to advance/reatard timing across the entire rpm range? ie a capacitor / resistor / inductor?- if so - what size for various degrees of timing? thanks
I'd have to look at the signal with a scope to be sure, but it is essentially a digital signal, and analog means won't help much. You want to time delay it, do the best thing would be a PIC or other cheap, small microprocessor. If the signal is really a sine wave squared up in the PCM, you could use analog methods, but you would have to put the corner freq high enough that you didn't kill the signal amplitude, and make sure that the design has flat phase shift across the frequency range of interest.

Or you could buy LS1Edit or HPtuners or ?????
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the crank position sensor is basically a magnetic pickup right? so would that be digital? you would think an inductor would slow it down?
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I think that even if you got this to work you wouldnt be happy with the result. You can do the IAT thing that will change the timing
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Originally Posted by 1a-play
the crank position sensor is basically a magnetic pickup right? so would that be digital? you would think an inductor would slow it down?
What I meant is that if they have any wave shaping in the sensor, so that the output is a pulse train, you really wouldn't want to use RC or LC on it. If it is a sine wave, some combinarion of R, L, and C could time shift it, ie delay it. It would not slow it down. But you would have to be pretty careful with component values and without out cracking a book, I can't even say for sure that you can make a passive filter that has constant phase delay.
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just hack the code so when an unused i/o line is triggered a bulk timing is taken out, then you can not effect any other system. Even better make it bank select a new timing map in so say if you spray, you have a secondary timing map, because timing maps aren't flat, you don't need to take/add timing across the board, its always a curve one way or another.

where are the code hackers these days
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The crank trigger is hall effect and uses a pull-up resister internally. The pattern is 24X with each 90* having a uniuqe pattern. This enables the PCM to find crank position within 1/4 of a turn. The signals are made up of 3* and 12* pulses. Check out the sticky at the top "Detailed Diagnostic Info for the LS1". All of the info is available following the link provided in that thread.
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The crank trigger is hall effect and uses a pull-up resister internally. The pattern is 24X with each 90* having a uniuqe pattern. This enables the PCM to find crank position within 1/4 of a turn. The signals are made up of 3* and 12* pulses. Check out the sticky at the top "Detailed Diagnostic Info for the LS1". All of the info is available following the link provided in that thread.
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so how does the "timing tuner " add/remove timing in that little box that connects inline to the crank sensor?
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so how does the "timing tuner " add/remove timing in that little box that connects inline to the crank sensor?
Hard to tell without opening the box, but I would guess a micro. Delay is easy - see an edge of a pulse, count to 5, pass the edge on. Advance is more tricky as you can't see into the future. I would delay each edge by 360* - whatever* and in effect, advance it by whatever*.
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