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Old Jul 16, 2022 | 01:13 PM
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I have a hard start problem. I've replaced basically everything (MAF, sensors, injectors, coils, plugs, etc), yet it persists. WOT also solves start up - get a puff of dark smoke (rich, ya), then I let off and it runs great after that - no other problems. (Before this dumb problem, it ran "ok", now after updating all these parts it runs REALLY well - noticeable improvement in smoothness and power)
When cranking with MAF connected, I get a little signal spike - to around 160 g/sec. So one theory is that the PCM is seeing that, adding way too much fuel and we don't start. If I crack the throttle open, we get enough air to balance with all that extra fuel (just barely bc it's super rich and throwing a code to that effect) and we start.
But what could cause such a weird spike? After startup, the MAF readings are pretty tight at 6.5g/sec. I don't have another car to compare, but seems like the MAF signal should go up mebbe a teeny bit while cranking and stay there. The spike I'm seeing is equivalent to half open throttle...?
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Old Jul 17, 2022 | 01:32 AM
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You have more than one issue, but the first one you have to correct is your bad IAC. Once you replace that, your other problems may seem more understandable.
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Old Jul 17, 2022 | 10:36 AM
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IAC seemed to check out in all testing, but I replaced it anyway and did the re-learn procedure. At this point I believe I have tested and replaced every sensor on the motor except for IAT (which is reading correct ambient temp and drops a few degrees after the motor sucks in some air).

I really do wish there was another secret sensor that was causing this start-up problem that I could simply replace. And again, the motor runs really, really well once it is started. If I leave MAF disconnected it has some occasional part-throttle hesitation. Much better with MAF, but then I have to either disconnect it to start-up and reconnect or else start with my foot on the pedal. If I leave MAF connected, it will die after 1-2 seconds - pretty much right when that spike appears.

I've also checked for vacuum leaks and couldn't find any.
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Old Jul 17, 2022 | 10:58 AM
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Without data...who can say.
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Old Jul 17, 2022 | 12:08 PM
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Ok, I can attach this graph - not sure how helpful it is. Just shows the MAF spike


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Old Jul 18, 2022 | 01:10 AM
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Would be interesting to see your system voltage when cranking. Can you log that?
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A spike like that looks like an electrical fault somewhere, like an intermittent bad connection.
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Old Jul 18, 2022 | 09:19 PM
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Here's some graphs:


MAF plugged in (no start)

Back to back no starts


This is after it sat for 24hrs - randomly cranked right up (MAF connected)

This is the WOT start technique (MAF connected)

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