HP Tuner or EFI Live
Originally Posted by Magnus
Josh, yes we will be adding hundereds more parameters..
I really wish I could post a screenshot of the pure power of VCM Suite 2.0 but.. it will have to wait.
I really wish I could post a screenshot of the pure power of VCM Suite 2.0 but.. it will have to wait.
Launching!
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From: Odessa, Texas
Originally Posted by Magnus
If you saw HP Tuners VCM Suite 2.0 I can guarantee you that you would change your mind... no doubt about it.
2.0 is not only a product of our own needs and wants, but it also has all the support and requests of our customer base which no other company has. We add exactly what the customers want.. and thats what 2.0 is. Not only that, but it is more easy to navigate than any tree style editor you will ever use.
- Keith, HP Tuners
2.0 is not only a product of our own needs and wants, but it also has all the support and requests of our customer base which no other company has. We add exactly what the customers want.. and thats what 2.0 is. Not only that, but it is more easy to navigate than any tree style editor you will ever use.
- Keith, HP Tuners
Keith, if the price is right I don't mind giving 2.0 a shot. By the way has a released date been set?
Chris
Originally Posted by SmokingWS6
Keith, will any of the future versions have more tables for asr/tcs editing beyond timing reductions? I'm looking to elimate tcs upshifts, which I think might be the 3rd stage of attempts tcs makes to stop wheel spin.
Nine Ball. I've been rolling on the floor for the last 10 minutes. That mod list is crazy. Tomorrow i'm going to attempt a body lift with hockey pucks
Nine Ball. I've been rolling on the floor for the last 10 minutes. That mod list is crazy. Tomorrow i'm going to attempt a body lift with hockey pucks
The upshift comes from the throttle relaxer pulling off the
throttle, and the shift tables work on MPH & TPS. The easy
answer is to raise the part-throttle shiftpoints, here. Also
I have found that increasing the spark retard "authority"
in the TCS/ASR tables makes the PCM be more in control,
and keep the "TCS brain" from attempting the throttle pull
(which it does only when spark retard fails, and to excess).
The spark retard is shift-benign.
The throttle relax part of it comes straight from the "TCS
brain" module and it's too dumb to program, I think. Same
for the brake end of things, which is done by the ABS but
commanded by the TCS brain.
You know what might be a cool, cheap mod? put a normally-
closed momentary switch off the gas pedal / throttle linkage
inline with the relaxer servo power so that if you have the
pedal down hard, it's cut out (but leave it alive for regular
low-trac situations on the street).
Keith, When are the 2-bar and/or 3-bar map going to be available? I can't wait to see what my little 4.8 can do before I put the 6.0 in. I really can't wait to see the 6.0 with 15-18lbs of boost running through it. Anyway, I just recieved my HP TUNERS today and I'm all wired up and excited about it. GREAT product!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by WS6FirebirdTA00
efi live has free updates right? and hp tuners u have to pay? so why not get something with free updates, hp tuners would cost more in the long run wouldnt it?
I've seen some 2.0 screenshots and can understand why you need to be within your upgrade period to get it... looks even better, and from tidbits i've gotten will have alot of new functionality included
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Can you guys share some of the 2.0 features...and give us an estimate of the upgrade cost for the 3 bar map tuning. There are a lot of us that are on the bubble (between EFILive and HPTuners). The upgrade costs for both packages are close to being even. So now, the coustomer truly can purchase based on features. There are some things that EFILive has that are great (blackbox logging, screen navigation, excellent scantool, free software upgrades, etc.) and HPTuners (good support, potential for 3 bar tuning @ at an upgraded price though, licensing strategy, etc.). I was leaning heavily towards HPTuners because of the 3 bar tuning, until I learned that it would come at an upgraded price that is tbd. Thanks in advance.
when will this new one be out? would it be a free upgrade if i bought the 500 dollar one now and then if that came out in a month or so after i bought it. i wanna get the tuning stuff before my cam gets put in so i can tune for it.
FormerVendor
Joined: Jan 2003
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From: Melbourne, Australia
too early to say on 2.0, we have to get 1.6 out and shipping first. To answer the other question, 1.6.0 will be the first release to see 2bar support. 3bar is in testing now and will make it into a 1.6.x maintenance release, details will be up on our website soon.
Okay, I am in the same boat.
A couple of questions:
Are these actual hand held scanners that download to a PC?
Are these software packages that ultimately need to be tied to a laptop, etc. and plugged into the car?
Does the computer have to be removed at any time for tuning? Can it all be done through the data link (diagnostic link)????????
Bottom line, I am putting a LS1 in a 69 Camaro running the Painless harness and 98 style computer. I will need to turn off check lights, and do some tuning as I am considering cam/heads/intake mods.
I don't own a laptop at this time, and have no other need for one. I prefer the hand held all in one type tuner, but ease of use is what I am most interested in. I don't have the patients to build an entire fuel/spark map from scratch (nor do I have access to a dyno, etc).
So..how does my build need fit in with the available systems?
A couple of questions:
Are these actual hand held scanners that download to a PC?
Are these software packages that ultimately need to be tied to a laptop, etc. and plugged into the car?
Does the computer have to be removed at any time for tuning? Can it all be done through the data link (diagnostic link)????????
Bottom line, I am putting a LS1 in a 69 Camaro running the Painless harness and 98 style computer. I will need to turn off check lights, and do some tuning as I am considering cam/heads/intake mods.
I don't own a laptop at this time, and have no other need for one. I prefer the hand held all in one type tuner, but ease of use is what I am most interested in. I don't have the patients to build an entire fuel/spark map from scratch (nor do I have access to a dyno, etc).
So..how does my build need fit in with the available systems?
Originally Posted by 69MyWay
So..how does my build need fit in with the available systems?
Originally Posted by foff667
it really doesnt IMO...hpp is pretty much worthless to you, predator has been known to have issues once you start putting in heads/cam...not real sure about the vinci box because few have it...so that leaves you with ls1edit, hptuners and at some point in the next decade efi live...ls1edit is very dated and slow but can do the job, but for the same price basically you could have hptuners and be in the thick of things, but yes you definitly need a laptop with both uless you have a computer in your garage and can just extend the cable into the car...but even then youd have no way of logging anything with either of those programs...efi live is not out but will have an in car logger though im not sure if it can upload programs via the box??? oh and did i mention its not out yet? lol you gotta pay to play man your doing an ls1 with heads/cam into a 69 camaro yet your not willing to either pay someone to do your tune or get the tuning software & laptop and take some time to tune yourself? How bout you just give the camaro to ls1tech long with the motor and everything else so we can make it a project car because you sound very misguided lol.
Originally Posted by 69MyWay
I don't know if that was an honest attempt to help, or a flat out slap in my face.
Smile and be thankful for what you have!!! 
Originally Posted by Badzracing
Keith, When are the 2-bar and/or 3-bar map going to be available? I can't wait to see what my little 4.8 can do before I put the 6.0 in. I really can't wait to see the 6.0 with 15-18lbs of boost running through it. Anyway, I just recieved my HP TUNERS today and I'm all wired up and excited about it. GREAT product!!!!!!!!!!
Can someone explain 2bar and 3bar map support to me. In simple terms if possible.
Originally Posted by TAQuickness
boost
Originally Posted by 69MyWay
I don't know if that was an honest attempt to help, or a flat out slap in my face.