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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 05:20 PM
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Default For all the SD-VE-MAF doubters out there...

Take this! Just was testing out the ole tune while running some errannds today.
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 05:21 PM
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I bet its doign well with the weather also
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 05:23 PM
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mine looks pretty close. the weather is always changing out here too. i dont see why people are afraid of the SD tune.
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bmfcamaro
mine looks pretty close. the weather is always changing out here too. i dont see why people are afraid of the SD tune.
Oh, well, I'm in full MAF, Closed Loop mode, but the point of me posting this was for all those who said that VE tuning is a waste and unproductive and bleh bleh bleh... Haven't touched my tune in 2 months now and still holding strong... Today we hit the upper 80s in H-Town... I wonder what 90s will bring...
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 05:52 PM
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Looks good man!!
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 06:06 PM
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nice!
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by txhorns281
Oh, well, I'm in full MAF, Closed Loop mode, but the point of me posting this was for all those who said that VE tuning is a waste and unproductive and bleh bleh bleh... Haven't touched my tune in 2 months now and still holding strong... Today we hit the upper 80s in H-Town... I wonder what 90s will bring...

And Houston has some serios Humidity (I can't stand Houston weather). Nice work, do me a favor when it hits 90-100 repost the results then. But i'm sure you'll end up changing it some before then so I guess it wouldn't be 100% valid results. None the less Very Nice!
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 06:22 PM
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And Houston has some serios Humidity (I can't stand Houston weather). Nice work, do me a favor when it hits 90-100 repost the results then. But i'm sure you'll end up changing it some before then so I guess it wouldn't be 100% valid results. None the less Very Nice!
Actually, if I can manage, I won't touch it ever again... lol That was the whole point, get the car running good and keep it running good all year long. I tuned it in like 60-70 degree weather so I'm guessing that's when it'll be in its prime. But ain't no sense in running her hard in 90-100 degrees anyway, we will see, we will see... I don't have any mods coming for awhile since my wallet's been light these days so I'll see if it holds the test of time... mwahahaha...
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Looks great. I'm slowly working on mine. going from an average of +12 to 0 isnt easy.


BTW, you only got up to 3600 rpm going to the grocery store? your not trying
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 07:09 PM
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I only fear the SD tune with a hotcam. It makes the dynamic airflow so jumpy it causes off-idle takeoff issues. My bad. I should have gone straight for the ASA cam and really made it worth my while...of course if I want to replace just the cam it would not be as bad as changing out all the valve springs...hmmm...
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 07:30 PM
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that is exactly why a maf is great

nice trims

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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by slow
that is exactly why a maf is great
In the end, my enemy is my friend.....
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 09:14 PM
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I will live in envy! (until I reach the end of my own journey)
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Another_User
I only fear the SD tune with a hotcam. It makes the dynamic airflow so jumpy it causes off-idle takeoff issues. My bad. I should have gone straight for the ASA cam and really made it worth my while...of course if I want to replace just the cam it would not be as bad as changing out all the valve springs...hmmm...
any cam really will make trash of SD airmass calcs i think i've decided... lol I think with greater variant pressures and such that it's super picky and that's why trims may bounce around. You need to change your avatar now!
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by txhorns281
any cam really will make trash of SD airmass calcs i think i've decided... lol I think with greater variant pressures and such that it's super picky and that's why trims may bounce around. You need to change your avatar now!
I know. I have been too lazy to do it. LOL.
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 08:58 AM
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Has anyone yet played with the idea of a pulse
damper for the MAP sensor, to keep manifold
pulsation from kicking it around? Be interesting
to put a 'scope to the MAP sensor output and
see just how badly the value is jumping (to be
caught at various points by PCM sampling).
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SmokingWS6

BTW, you only got up to 3600 rpm going to the grocery store? your not trying

The MAF takes over at 4k, right? So to show us how your MAF table is doing, we need to see some redline runs.
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmyblue
Has anyone yet played with the idea of a pulse
damper for the MAP sensor, to keep manifold
pulsation from kicking it around? Be interesting
to put a 'scope to the MAP sensor output and
see just how badly the value is jumping (to be
caught at various points by PCM sampling).
I have looked at info about that before. Basically you restrict airflow to the MAP kind of like people do with the AIR pump to keep from killing the check valves. I haven't seen anybody do it on an LS1 though.
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Scooter70
The MAF takes over at 4k, right? So to show us how your MAF table is doing, we need to see some redline runs.
LOL... Actually the MAF plays a bigger role than you would think at part throttle fueling. I don't know the details of it, but I just know that tweaking the MAF slightly once recalibrated had a much bigger effect than messing with the VE when in MAF mode. AS discussed before, I think the VE is just used to keep the MAF in check, to make sure the MAF isn't totally crazy. But in any case, when you recalibrate your MAF the VE airmass calcs and MAF ought to be pretty damn close anyway soooooo no confusion for my PCM!

Over 4K I won't get any trimming anyway cuz i'll most likely be in PE mode but yes in higher RPMS it's ALL MAF. I guess one of these days I could crawl back under my car and get the wideband back in and check a WOT run... Damn you...
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 06:31 AM
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So TxHorns281 what method did you end up using to calibrate your MAF table? Did you make use of any of the MAF calculating spread sheets out there or did you do it by hand / educated guessing?

So if your results hold up, then that means all we have to do is get it real close on VE then all in one day finalize the VE and calibrate the MAF and sense the MAF is always primary (most of the time) the tune should not really need any further adjustments until we modify something in the air track that would require recalibration of the MAF?
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