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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 05:02 PM
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Well its been about a week since i messed with the car at the track and thats when this bug i have started.On my last pass of the day i had to get out of the throttle for a issue i had with my steering anyways when i was coming down the return road i notice the car was running like ****.We loaded it up brought it home is when we kenw we had a problem.The car stumbles and won't rev up.This is what we have done so far.Changed map,maf,swaped coils and wires cylinder leak down check all rockers pulled intake check for cracks or bad gaskets.checked all grounds on back of left head,fuel pressure 58 psi tryed reflashing the computer with a diffrent file and even put diffrent injectors in it.Im starting to think its a bad pcm.BTW this car has been tuned all season open loop so o2s are a thing of the past.It runs so poorly you couldn't even get it out of my driveway.Any thoughts on what i might wanna check.Thanks mike
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 05:23 PM
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Throttle Position Sensor ??
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 05:40 PM
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Hooked up Sanner and its working fine.I even changed the crank sensor.
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 05:52 PM
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Did the the scanner give you any clues as to what might be wrong (timming, fuel)
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 06:24 PM
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Timming and fuel look good.I use efi software and i wonder when you look at timing values while its running if its commanded timming or actual.Im wondering if my reluctar ring on the crank some how slipped or moved
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 11:05 PM
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Im not sure about efi live but with hptuners you can do a crank relearn which resest the crank angle sensor might be worth ago

Have you got a wideband? did you try reading afr
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 11:07 PM
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I thought about a crank relearn but why would it all of a sudden act up?And yes i do have a wideband.
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 11:25 PM
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like you said the Crank sensor might have moved or slipped when you were hammering down the strip and its now got the wrong timing.

When you have the car idling what is the wideband reading
What does the car do when you try and rev it
Could it be a blocked exhaust or loose spark plug lead
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 11:52 PM
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like you said the Crank sensor might have moved or slipped when you were hammering down the strip and its now got the wrong timing.

When you have the car idling what is the wideband reading
What does the car do when you try and rev it
Could it be a blocked exhaust or loose spark plug lead
Havent had a chance for the widebade yet
Car revs very poorly
3 in borla true duals.
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 01:40 PM
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Okay couple more questions.Can you have a bad pcm without throwing any codes.And if the maf was going bad or on the way out will that still work witout a code.I really hate to get a pcm and find out that not the problem I think im going to set the car in sd mode and see if its better.Now i just have to fugure how to set it to sd mode
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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 12:44 PM
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Iv'e tryed a pcm and sd mode i think it has a bad ground or short.This thing is pissing me off.
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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 12:51 PM
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- Cam sensor
- Hole in piston
- Bent valve
- Bad injector
- Burnt Wiring



Just throwing out some idea's...
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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 06:51 PM
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Thanks for the ideas but ive tryed them all.Ive got some ideas for tomorrow.This is by far the worst bug ive ever had or seen.
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 01:41 AM
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hey tuff have you figured out what the problem was yet
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 12:23 PM
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Nope im thinking its the reluctor ring.
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Old Nov 23, 2005 | 12:09 AM
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man thats wacked. Have you check compression on all cylinders?
Air filter could have collapsed and is blocking air intake
Have you checked the water temp sensor?? maybe one of the wires broke off or the sensor **** its self and the engine is thinking its overheated and is shutting off cylinders. I know its a long shot but it sounds like youve tried everything else
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hey man, i got a 99 pcm left in chicago, if you wanna test something, you can borrow it, it's at my friend's house in nw burbs.
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Old Nov 23, 2005 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SikHabibBroCuz
man thats wacked. Have you check compression on all cylinders?
Air filter could have collapsed and is blocking air intake
Have you checked the water temp sensor?? maybe one of the wires broke off or the sensor **** its self and the engine is thinking its overheated and is shutting off cylinders. I know its a long shot but it sounds like youve tried everything else
All was check out Marcon i changed the pcm already and reflashed it.Same problem The weard part is at the track it was starting to pop out the exhaust when i left the line on the bottle.Same tuneup so i know that isn't it.The weard part i was running my best 60ft all season that day 1.26 but the car fell off in the big end? My last pass i had to get out of the throttle fast car was out off control and when o got on the throttle is when i noticed the problem.After all i have checked im thinking the reluctor ring might have slipped or something haven't checked it out yet.
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sorry to bring up an old thread but do you ever find out what the problem was tuff
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Okay couple more questions.Can you have a bad pcm without throwing any codes.
When my PCM died a few weeks ago it was throwing all kinds of codes! There must've been 6 or 7 different codes that showed up.
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